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Exposing The Deep State Part II with Myron Fagan

JFS 12 | The Deep State

Decades following the Civil War, industries began to burgeon and all of that called for vast financing, much of which had come from abroad. That meant the House of Rothschild, and that was when Jacob Schiff came into his own. At the turn of the century, Schiff had a tight control of the entire banking fraternity on Wall Street and was dispatched to America to destroy the unity of the American people by creating minority groups and racial strife. In 1908, Schiff decided that the time had come for his seizure of our money system. All his chief lieutenants in that seizure assembled and emerged with the Federal Reserve System. A decade later, communism was created by the capitalists. All the great nations, including the United States, were war-weary, devastated, and mourning their dead, and peace was the great universal desire. Myron Fagan exposes these and more in his recording between 1967 and 1968 in the Council on Foreign Relations, exposing the Deep State.

Before we start the part two of our series, I wanted to recap part one. The recording was recorded 51 years ago and is more clear now than ever. These recordings will answer a lot of questions that you were never told about in school. Why is that? There is a word for it and it’s called cognitive dissonance. In psychology, that means an anxiety that results from simultaneously holding contradictory or otherwise incompatible attitudes, beliefs or the like. In other words, this may be hard for some of you to believe that there is a worldwide plan to enslave you. Let’s get into the recap.

The question of how and why the United Nation is the crux of the great conspiracy to destroy the sovereignty of the United States and the enslavement of the American people within a UN one-world dictatorship is a complete and unknown mystery to the vast majority of the American people. We all know that our State Department, the Pentagon, the White House have brazenly proclaim that they have the right and power to manage the news. To tell us not the truth but what they want us to believe. This satanic plot was launched back in 1760 when it first came into existence under the name of the Illuminati. This Illuminati was organized by one Adam Weishaupt, born a Jew who was converted to Catholicism and became a Catholic priest. Then at the behest of the then newly organized House of Rothschild, defected and organized the Illuminati. In the United States, immediately after World War I, they set up what they called the Council on Foreign Relations, commonly referred to as the CFR. This CFR is actually the Illuminati in the United States and its hierarchy. There is a similar establishment of the Illuminati in England operating under the name of the British Institute of International Affairs.

There are similar secret Illuminati organizations in France, Germany, and other nations operating under different names and all these organizations, including the CFR, continuously set up numerous subsidiaries or front organizations that are infiltrating into every phase and various nations’ affairs. At all times, the operations of these organizations were and are mastermind and controlled by the International Bankers. They in turn were then controlled by the Rothschild’s. Immediately after the Napoleonic wars, the Illuminati assumed that all the nations were so destitute and so weary of war that they’d be glad for any solution. The Rothschilds stooges set up what they called the Congress of Vienna. At that meeting, they tried to create the first League of Nations. The first attempt one-world government on the theory that all the crown heads of European governments were so deeply in debt to them that they would be willing and unwillingly serve as their stooges.

Let’s go back to the birth of the Illuminati. Adam Weishaupt was a Jesuit trained professor of Canon Law teaching an Ingolstadt University when he defected from Christianity to embrace Luciferian Conspiracy. It was in 1770 that the professional money lenders, the then recently organized House of Rothschild retained him to revise and modernize the age-old protocol of Zionism, which from the outset was designed to give the synagogue of Satan so named by Jesus Christ, ultimately world domination so they could impose Luciferian ideology upon what remained of the human race after the final social cataclysm by the use of satanic despotism. Weishaupt completed this task on May 1st, 1776. Now, you know why May 1st is the great day with all communist nations to this very day. May 1st is also Law Day as declared by the American Bar Association.

That was the day, May 1st 1776 that Weishaupt completed his plan and officially organized the Illuminati to put the plan into execution. That plan required the destruction of all existing governments and religions. That objective was to be reached by dividing the masses of people whom he, Weishaupt, termed as Goyim or human cattle into opposing camps in every increasing numbers on political, social, economic, and other issues. The very conditions we have in our country now. As Matt Drudge, so appropriately decried the modern day social media ghettos are called Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and Google. Do you really think you’re American government set these up for your enjoyment? Of course not. They needed more data on you, which you are more than happy to give them for free so they could sell your data to large corporations. All your friends, your thoughts, your comments compile to record you and most importantly track you.

At this point, let me stress a prime feature of the Illuminati’s plan and if their blueprint for world control, the Protocol of Elders of Zion is discovered and exposed, they would wipe out all the Jews off the face of the Earth in order to divert suspicion from themselves. If you think this is farfetched, bear in mind that they permitted Hitler, a liberal socialist himself who was financed by the corrupt Kennedy’s, Warburg’s, and Rothschild’s to incinerate 600,000 Jews. Just why did the conspiracy choose the word Illuminati for satanic organization? Weishaupt himself said that the word is derived from Lucifer. It means holder of the light. Using the lies that his objective was to bring about a one-world government to enable those with mental ability to govern the world and prevent all wars in the future. In short, using the words peace on earth as bait, exactly as the same bait as peace was used by the 1945 conspirators to force the United Nations on us. Weishaupt financed, and I repeat, by the Rothschild’s recruited some 2,000 paid followers. These included the most intelligent men in the field of arts, letters, education, the science, finance and industry. The use of monetary and sexual bribery to obtain control of men already in high places, in various levels of our government and other fields of endeavor.

JFS 12 | The Deep State
The Deep State: Using the words peace on earth as a bait is exactly the same bait as peace was used by the 1945 conspirators to force the United Nations on us.

Once influenced, persons had fallen into the lies, deceptions and temptations of the Illuminati. They were to be held in bondage by application of political and other forms of blackmail, threat of financial ruin, public exposure, physical harm, or even death to themselves and loved ones. Do you realize how many present top officials in our government in Washington are controlled in just this way by the CFR? Do you realize how many homosexuals in our State Department, the Pentagon, all federal agencies, even in the White House are controlled that way? The Illuminati and their faculties of colleges and universities where it cultivated students possessing exceptional mental ability belonging to well-bred families with international learning and recommended them for special training in internationalism.

Such training was to be provided by granting scholarships to those selected by the Illuminati. That gives you an idea of what a Rhodes scholarship means. It means indoctrination into accepting the idea that only a one-world government can put an end to recurring wars and strifes. That’s how the United Nations was sold to the American people. All such scholars were to be first persuaded and then convinced that men of special talent and brains have the right to rule less gifted, on the grounds that the masses don’t know what is best for them physically, mentally, and spiritually. It’s very important that you go back and listen to part one so you’ll have a great understanding of where we’re going in part two. Let’s move on to the tape.

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Exposing The Deep State Part II with Myron Fagan

It was in the decades following our Civil War that our industries began to burgeon. We had great railroads to build. The oil, mining, steel, textile industries were bursting out of their swaddling clothes. All of that called for vast financing. Much of that financing had to come from abroad. That meant the House of Rothschild and that was when Schiff came into his own. He played a very crafty game. He became the patron saint of John D. Rockefeller, Edward R. Harriman, and Andrew Carnegie. He financed the Standard Oil Company for Rocky, the Railroad Empire for Harriman, and the Steel Empire for Carnegie. Instead of hogging all the other industries for Kuhn, Loeb & Co., he opened the doors of the House of Rothschild to Morgan, Biddle, and Drexel. In turn, Rothschild arranged the setting up of London, Paris, European and other branches for those three, but always in partnerships with Rothschild subordinates. Rothschild made it very clear to all those men that Schiff was to be the boss in New York.

Thus at the turn of the century, Schiff had a tight control of the entire banking fraternity on Wall Street which by then, with Schiff’s help, included Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs, and other internationalist banks headed by men chosen by the Rothschilds. In short, that meant control of the nation’s money powers and he was then ready for the giant step, the entrapment of our national money system. Now, under our Constitution, all control of our money system is vested solely in our Congress. Schiff’s next important step was to seduce our Congress to betray that Constitutional edict by surrendering that control to the hierarchy of the Illuminati’s great conspiracy. In order to legalize that surrender, and thus make the people powerless to resist it, it would be necessary to have Congress enact a special legislation. To accomplish that, Schiff would have to infiltrate stooges into both houses of Congress. Stooges powerful enough to railroad Congress into passing such legislation.

Equally or even more important, he would have to plant a stooge in the White House, a president that is without integrity and without scruples who would sign that legislation into law. To accomplish that, he had to get control of either the Republican or the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party was the more vulnerable. It was the hungrier of the two parties. Except for Grover Cleveland, the Democrats had been unable to land one of their men in the White House since before the Civil War. There were two reasons for that. Number one, poverty of the party. Number two, there were considerably more Republican-minded voters than Democrats. The poverty matter was not a great problem, but the voter problem was a different story. As I previously said, Schiff was a smart cookie. Here is the atrocious and murderous method he employed to solve that voter problem. His solution emphasizes how very little the Jewish Internationalist Bankers care about their own racial brethren as you shall see.

Suddenly, around 1890, there broke out a nationwide series of pogroms in Russia. Many, many, thousands of innocent Jews, men, women, and children were slaughtered by the Cossacks and other peasants. Similar pogroms with similar slaughter of innocent Jews broke out in Poland, Romania, and Bulgaria. All those pogroms were fomented by Rothschild agents. As a result, the Jewish terrified refugees from all of those nations swarmed into the United States and that continued throughout the next two or three decades because the pogroms were continuous through all those years. All those refugees were aided by self-styled humanitarian committees set up by Schiff, the Rothschilds, and all the Rothschild affiliates.

In the main, the refugees streamed into New York, but the Schiff-Rothschild humanitarian committees found ways to shuffle many of them into other large cities such as Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, Detroit, Los Angeles, etc. All of them were quickly transformed into “naturalized citizens” and educated to register as Democrats. Thus all of that so-called minority group became solid Democratic voter blocks in their communities, all controlled and maneuvered by their so-called benefactors. Shortly after the turn of the century, they became vital factors in the political life of our nation. That was one of the methods Schiff employed to plant men like Nelson Aldrich in our Senate and Woodrow Wilson in the White House.

At this point, let me remind you of another one of the important jobs that was assigned to Schiff when he was dispatched to America. I refer to the job of destroying the unity of the American people by creating minority group and racial strife. By the pogrom-driven Jewish refugees into America, Schiff was creating one ready-made minority group for that purpose. The Jewish people, as a whole, made fearful by the pogroms, could not be depended upon to create the violence necessary to destroy the unity of American people. Right within America, there was an already made-to-order, although as yet, a sleeping minority group, the Negroes, who could be sparked into so-called demonstrations, rioting, looting, murder, and every other type of lawlessness. All that was necessary was to incite and arouse them.

Together, those two minority groups, properly maneuvered, could be used to create exactly the kind of strife in America the Illuminati would need to accomplish their objective. Thus, at the same time that Schiff and his co-conspirators were laying their plans for the entrapment of our money system, they were also perfecting plans to hit the unsuspecting American people with an explosive and terrifying racial upheaval that would tear the people into hate fractions and create chaos throughout the nation, especially on all college and university campuses, all protected by Earl Warren decisions and our so-called leaders in Washington. Of course, perfecting those plans require time and infinitely patient organizing.

Now, to remove all doubts, I’ll take a few moments to give you the documentary proof of this racial strife plot. First of all, they had to create the leadership and organizations to draw in millions of dupes, both Jewish and Negroes, who would do the demonstrating and commit the rioting, looting, and lawlessness. In 1909, Schiff, the Lehmans, and other conspirators, organized and set up the National Association for the Advancement of the Colored People known as the NAACP. The presidents, directors, and legal councils of the NAACP were always white men, Jews appointed by Schiff and this is the case to this very day. Then in 1913, the Schiff group organized the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith commonly known as the ADL to serve as the Gestapo and hatchet man outfit for the entire great conspiracy. Now, this sinister ADL maintains over 2,000 agencies in all parts of the country and they advise and completely control every action of the NAACP or of the Urban League of all the other so-called Negro Civil Rights Organizations throughout the nation, including such leaders as Martin “Lucifer” King, Stokely Carmichael, Bayard Rustin, and others of the ilk.

In addition, the ADL acquired absolute control of the advertising budgets of many department stores, hotel chains, and TV and radio industrialist sponsors, also advertising agencies in order to control practically all the mass-communications media and force every loyal newspaper to slant and falsify the news and to further incite and at the same time create sympathy for the lawlessness and violence of the Negro mobs. Here is documentary proof of the beginning of their deliberate plot to foment the Negroes into all their lawlessness. Around 1910, one Israel Zangwill wrote a play entitled The Melting Pot. It was sheer propaganda to incite the Negroes and Jews because the play purportedly visualized how the American people were discriminating against, and persecuting Jews and Negroes. At that time, nobody seemed to realize that it was a propaganda play.

It was that cleverly-written. The propaganda was well wrapped-up and a truly great entertainment in to play and it was a big Broadway Hit. In those years, the legendary Diamond Jim Brady used to throw a banquet at the famous Delmonico Restaurant in New York after the opening performance of a popular play. He threw such a party for the cast of The Melting Pot, its author, producer, and chosen Broadway celebrities. By then, I already made a personal mark on the Broadway Theater and was invited to that party. There, I met George Bernard Shaw and a Jewish writer named Israel Cohen. Zangwill, Shaw, and Cohen were triumvirate who created the Fabian Society in England and had worked closely with a Frankfurt Jew named Mordecai who had changed his name to Karl Marx. Remember, at that time, both Marxism and Communism were just emerging and nobody paid much attention to either and nobody suspected the propaganda in the writings of those three really brilliant writers.

At that banquet, Israel Cohen told me that he was then engaged in writing a book which was to be a follow-up on Zangwill’s The Melting Pot. The title of his book was to be, A Racial Program for the 20th Century. At that time, I was completely absorbed by my work as a playwright and significant as that title was, its real objective never dawned on me nor was I interested in reading the book. It suddenly hit me with the force of a hydrogen bomb when I received a newspaper clipping of an item published by the Washington DC Evening Star in May 1957. That item was a verbatim reprint of the following excerpt in Israel Cohen’s book, A Racial-Program for the 20th Century and it read as I quote, “We must realize that our party’s most powerful weapon is racial tension. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races, that for centuries they have been oppressed by the whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America, we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of life, in the professions, and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause.”

That same except was entered in to the Congressional record of June 7, 1957 by Representative Thomas G. Abernethy. Thus the authenticity of that passage in Cohen’s book was fully established. The one question that remained in my mind was whether it represented the official policy or a plot of the Communist Party or just a personal expression of Cohen himself. Hence, I sought more proof and I found it in an official pamphlet published in 1935 by the New York Communist Party’s official Workers’ Library Publishers. That pamphlet was entitled, The Negroes in a Soviet America. It urged the Negroes to rise up, form a Soviet State in the South and apply for admission to the Soviet Union. It contained a firm pledge that the revolt would be supported by all American reds and all so-called liberals. On page 38, it promised that a Soviet government would confer greater benefits to Negroes than to whites and again this official communist pamphlet pledged that, I quote, “Any act of discrimination or prejudice against a Negro will become a crime under the revolutionary law.” That statement proved that the excerpt in Israel Cohen’s book published in 1913 was an official-edict of the Communist Party and directly in line with the Illuminati blueprint for world revolution issued by Weishaupt and later by Albert Pike.

Now, there’s only one question and that is to prove that the communist regime is directly controlled by the American, Jacob Schiff and London’s Rothschild, masterminds of the great conspiracy. A little later, I will provide that proof that will remove even a remote doubt that the Communist Party, as we know it, was created by those masterminds, capitalists if you will note, that Schiff, the Warburgs, and the Rothschilds planned and financed the entire Russian Revolution, also the murder of the Czar and his family, and that Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin took their orders directly from Schiff and the other capitalists whom they supposedly are fighting.

Now, can you see why the vile Earl Warren and his equally vile co-Supreme Court justices issued that infamous and treasonous desegregation decision in 1954? It was to aid and abet the plot of the Illuminati conspirators to create tension and strife between the Negroes and Whites. Can you see why the same Earl Warren issued his decision prohibiting Christian prayers and Christmas carols in our schools? It was done to destroy Christianity. Can you see why Eisenhower, despite all the rigid constitutional prohibitions sent Federal troops into a Southern State to enforce the desegregation decision? Why Kennedy did likewise? Can you see why Johnson and 66 senators, despite the protests of 90% of the American people, voted for the Consular Treaty which opens our entire country to Russian spies and saboteurs? All those 66 senators are 20th century Benedict Arnold’s.

It is up to you and you, all of the American people, to force Congress, our elected servants, to haul in those American traitors for impeachments and that when proven guilty, they all be given the punishment prescribed for traitors who aid and abet our enemies. That includes the enforcing of rigid investigations by Congress of the CFR and all their fronts, such as the ADL, the NAACP, SNIC, and such Illuminati tools as Martin “Lucifer” King. Such investigations will completely unmask all the leaders in Washington and the Illuminati and all their affiliations and affiliates as traitors carrying out the Illuminati plot. It will completely unmask the United Nations as the intended crux of the entire plot and force Congress to take the US out of the UN and hurl the UN out of the US. In fact, it will destroy the UN and the entire plot. Before I close this phase, I wish to reiterate and stress one vital point which I urge you to never forget if you wish to save our country for your children and their children.

Here is the point. Every unconstitutional and unlawful act committed by Woodrow Wilson, by Franklin Roosevelt, by Truman, Eisenhower, and Kennedy and are now being committed by Johnson is exactly in line with the Illuminati conspirators’ centuries-old plot outlined by Weishaupt and Albert Pike. Every vicious decision issued by the traitorous Earl Warren and his equally-traitorous Supreme Court Justices was directly in line with what the Illuminati blueprint required. That all the treason committed by our State Department under Rusk and earlier by John Foster Dulles, and Marshall, also all the treason committed by McNamara and his predecessors, is directly in line with that same Illuminati blueprint for the takeover of the world. Also, the amazing treason by various members of our Congress, especially by the 66 Senators who signed for the Consular Treaty, has been committed on orders from the Illuminati.

JFS 12 | The Deep State
The Deep State: Re-elect the man who will keep your sons out of the war.

Now, I will go back to Jacob Schiff’s entrapment of our money system and the treasonous actions that followed. It will also reveal the Schiff-Rothschild control of not only Karl Marx, but of Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin, who created the revolution in Russia and set up the Communist Party. It was in 1908 that Schiff decided that the time had come for his seizure of our money system. His chief lieutenants in that seizure were Colonel Edward Mandell House whose entire career was that of Chief Executive and courier for Schiff as I shall show, Bernard Baruch and Herbert Lehman. In the fall of that year, they assembled in secret conclave at the Jekyll Island Hunt Club, owned by J.P. Morgan at Jekyll Island, Georgia. Among those present were J.P. Morgan, John B. Rockefeller, Colonel House, Senator Nelson Aldrich, Schiff, Stillman and Vanderlip of the New York National City Bank, W. & J. Seligman, Eugene Meyer, Bernard Baruch, Herbert Lehman, Paul Warburg, in short, all of the international bankers in America. All of them members of the hierarchy of the Illuminati’s great conspiracy.

A week later, they emerged with what they called the Federal Reserve System. Senator Aldrich was the stooge who was to railroad it through Congress, but they held that railroading in abeyance for one chief reason, they would first have to plant their man and obedient stooge in the White House to sign the Federal Reserve Act into law. They knew that even if the Senate would pass that act unanimously, the then newly elected President Taft would promptly veto it. So they waited. In 1912, their man, Woodrow Wilson, was elected to the presidency. Immediately after Wilson was inaugurated, Senator Aldrich railroaded the Federal Reserve Act through both houses of Congress and Wilson promptly signed it and the Federal Reserve Act became law. That heinous act of treason was committed on December 23, 1913, two days before Christmas when all the members of Congress, except for several carefully picked Representatives and three equally carefully picked Senators, were away from Washington. How heinous treasonous was that act? I’ll tell you. Our founding fathers knew full-well the power of money. They knew that whoever had that power, held the destiny of our nation in his hands.

Therefore, they carefully guarded this power when they set forth in the Constitution, that Congress, the elected representatives of the people, alone would have the power. The Constitutional language on this point is brief, concise, and specific, stated in Article I, Section 8, Paragraph 5, Defining the Duties And Powers of Congress, and I quote, “To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and the standard of weights and measures.” On that tragic, unforgettable day of infamy, December 23, 1913, the men we sent to Washington to safeguard our interests, the Representatives and Senators and Woodrow Wilson, delivered the destiny of our nation into the hands of two aliens from Eastern Europe, Jacob Schiff and Paul Warburg. Warburg was a very recent immigrant who came here on orders from Rothschild for the express purpose of blueprinting that foul Federal Reserve Act. The vast majority of the American people think that the Federal Reserve System is a United States Government owned agency. That is positively false. All of the stock of the Federal Reserve banks is owned by the member banks and the heads of the member banks are all members of the hierarchy of the great Illuminati conspiracy known today as the CFR.

The details of that act of treason, in which many traitorous so-called Americans participated, are far too long for this recording, but all those details are available in a book entitled, The Federal Reserve Conspiracy, written by Eustace Mullins. In that book, Mullins tells the entire horrifying story and backs it up with unquestionable documentations. Aside from it being a truly fascinating and shocking story of that great betrayal, every American should read it as a matter of vital intelligence for the time when the whole American people will finally come awake and smash the entire conspiracy and with God’s help, that awakening will surely come. You can get a copy of that book from the publishers, the Christian Educational Association, 530 Chestnut Street, Union, New Jersey. If you think that those aliens and their by accident-of-birth American co-conspirators would be content with just the control of our money system, you are in for another very sad shock.

The Federal Reserve System gave the conspirators complete control of our money system, but it in no way touched the earnings of the people because the Constitution positively forbids what is now known as the 20% withholding tax. The Illuminati blueprint for one-world enslavement called for the confiscation of all private property and control of individual earning powers. This, and Karl Marx stressed that feature in his blueprint, had to be accomplished by a progressive, graduated income tax. As I have stated, such a tax could not lawfully be imposed upon the American people. It is succinctly and expressly forbidden by our Constitution. Thus, only an Amendment to the Constitution could give the federal government such confiscatory powers.

Well, that too was not an insurmountable problem for our Machiavellian plotters. The same elected leaders in both houses of Congress and the same Mr. Woodrow Wilson, who signed the infamous Federal Reserve Act into law, amended the Constitution to make the Federal Income Tax, known as the 16th Amendment, a law of the land, both are illegal under our Constitution. In short, the same traitors signed both betrayals, the Federal Reserve Act and the 16th Amendment into law. However, it seems that nobody ever realized that the 16th Amendment was set up to rob, and I do mean rob, the people of their earnings via the income tax provision.

The plotters didn’t fully use the provision until World War II when that great humanitarian, Franklin Roosevelt, applied a 20% withholding tax on all small wage-earners and up to 90% on higher incomes. Of course, he faithfully promised that it would be only for the duration of the war, but what was a promise to such a charlatan who in 1940, when he was running for his third term, kept proclaiming, “I’ll say again and again and again, that I will never send American boys to fight on foreign soil.” Remember, he was proclaiming that even as he was already preparing to plunge us into World War II by enticing the Japanese into that sneak-attack on Pearl Harbor to furnish him with his excuse. Before I forget, let me remind you that another charlatan named Woodrow Wilson, used exactly that same campaign slogan in 1916. His slogan was, “Re-elect the man who will keep your sons out of the war,” exactly the same formula, exactly the same promises. Wait, as Al Jolson used to say, “You ain’t heard nothing yet.” That 16th Amendment income tax trap was intended to confiscate, rob the earnings of the common herd, you and me. It was not intended to even touch the huge incomes of the Illuminati gang, the Rockefellers, the Carnegies, the Lehmans, and all the other conspirators.

Together, with that 16th Amendment, they created what they called the Tax-free Foundations. That would enable the conspirators to transform their huge wealth into such so-called foundations and avoid payment of virtually all income taxes. The excuse for it was that the earnings of those tax-free foundations would be devoted to humanitarian philanthropy. We now have the several Rockefeller Foundations, the Carnegie Endowment Fund, the Ford Foundation, the Mellon Foundation, and hundreds of similar tax-free foundations. What kind of philanthropy do these foundations support? Well, they finance all the civil rights groups that are creating all the chaos and rioting all over the country. They finance the Martin “Lucifer” Kings. The Ford Foundation finances the Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions in Santa Barbara, commonly referred to as Moscow West, and which is headed by wonder boy Hutchins, Walter Reuther, Erwin Canham and others of that ilk.

In short, the tax-free foundations financed those who are doing the job for the Illuminati great conspiracy. What are the hundreds of billions of dollars they confiscate every year from the earnings of the common herd, you and me, used for? Well, for one thing, there is the foreign aid gimmick which gave billions to communist Tito plus gifts of hundreds of jet-planes; many of which were turned over to Castro, plus the costs of training communist pilots so that they can better shoot down our planes. Billions to red Poland, billions to India, billions to Sukarno, billions to other enemies of the United States. That’s what that treasonous railroaded 16th Amendment has done to our nation and to the American people, to you and to me, to your children and their children.

Our CFR Illuminati-controlled Federal Government can grant tax-free status to all foundations and pro-red one-world outfits, such as the Fund for the Republic. If you or a patriotic pro-organization, is too outspokenly pro-American, they can terrify and intimidate you by finding a misplaced comma in your income tax report and by threatening you with penalties, fines, and even prison. Future historians will wonder how the American people could have been so naive and stupid as to have permitted such audaciously brazen acts of treason as the Federal Reserve Act and the 16th Amendment. They were not naive and they were not stupid. The answer is, they trusted the men they elected to safeguard our country and our people, and they just didn’t have even an inkling about either betrayal, until after each one had been accomplished.

It was the Illuminati-controlled mass communications media that has kept and is keeping our people naive and stupid and unaware of the treason being committed. The great question is, “When will the people wake up and do to our traitors of today what George Washington and our founding fathers would have done to Benedict Arnold?” Actually, Benedict Arnold was a petty-traitor compared to our present traitors in Washington. Now, let’s go back to the events that followed the rape of our Constitution by the passage of the Federal Reserve Act and the 16th Amendment. Was Wilson completely under their control?

The masterminds of the great conspiracy put in motion their next and what they hoped would be their final steps to achieve their one-world government. The first of those steps was to be World War I. Why War? Simple. The only excuse for a one-world government is that it will supposedly ensure peace. The only thing that can make people cry for peace is war. War brings chaos, destruction, exhaustion, to the winner as well as to the loser. It brings economic-ruin to both. Most important, it destroys the flower of the young manhood of both. To the saddened and heartbroken oldsters, the mothers and fathers, who are left with nothing but memories of their beloved sons, peace becomes worth any price and that is the emotion upon which the conspirators depend for the success of their satanic plot.

Throughout the 19th Century, from 1814 to 1914, the world, as a whole, was at peace. Such wars as the Franco-Prussian, our own Civil War, the Russo-Japanese War, were what might be termed local disturbances that did not affect the rest of the world. All the great nations were prosperous, the people staunchly nationalistic and fiercely proud of their sovereignties. It was utterly unthinkable that the French and the German peoples would be willing to live under a one-world government, or the Turks and the Russians, or the Chinese and the Japanese. Even more unthinkable is that a Kaiser Wilhelm or a Franz Joseph or a Czar Nicholas or any Monarch would willingly and meekly surrender his throne to a one-world government. Bear in mind that the peoples in all nations are the real power and only thing, war, could make the peoples yearn and clamor for peace-ensuring a one-world government. It would have to be a frightful and horribly devastating war. It could not be just a local disturbing war between just two nations. It would have to be a world war. No major nation must be left untouched by the horrors and devastation of such a war. The cry for peace must be made universal.

Actually, that was the format set by the Illuminati and Nathan Rothschild at the turn of the 19th Century. They first maneuvered all of Europe into the Napoleonic Wars, then the Congress in Vienna which they, and particularly Rothschild, planned to transform into a League of Nations, which was to have been the housing for their one-world government, exactly as the present United Nations was set up to be the housing for the forthcoming, God forbid, one-world government. Anyway, that was the format the House of Rothschild and Jacob Schiff decided to employ to achieve their objective in 1914. Of course, they knew that the same format had failed in 1814, but they theorized that was only because the Czar of Russia had torpedoed that scheme.

Well, the present 1914 conspirators would eliminate that 1814 fly in the ointment. They’d make sure that after the new world war that they were conspiring, there’d be no Czar of Russia around to throw monkey-wrenches into the machinery. I won’t go into how they accomplished this first step to launch a world war. History records that World War I was precipitated by a trivial incident, the kind of incident both Weishaupt and Albert Pike had incorporated in their blueprints. That incident was the assassination of an Austrian Archduke arranged by the Illuminati masterminds. The war followed. It involved Germany, Austria, Hungary, and their allies, the so-called Axis powers, against France, Britain, and Russia, called the Allies. Only the United States was not involved during the first two years.

By 1917, the conspirators had achieved their primary objective. All of Europe was in a state of destitution. All the peoples were war-weary and crying for peace and the outcome too was all set. It was to come as soon as the United States would be hurled-in on the side of the Allies and that was all set to happen immediately after Wilson’s re-election. After that, there could be only one outcome, complete victory for the Allies. To fully confirm my statement that long before 1917, the conspiracy, headed in America by Jacob Schiff, had it all set to hurl the United States into that war. I will cite the proof. When Wilson was campaigning for re-election in 1916, his chief appeal was, “Re-elect the man who will keep your sons out of the war.”

During that same campaign, the Republican Party publicly charged that Wilson had long committed himself to throw us into the war. They charged that if he would be defeated, he would accomplish that act during his few remaining months in office, but if re-elected, he would hold off until after the election. At that time, the American people looked upon Wilson as a God-man. Wilson was re-elected and as per the schedule of the conspirators, he hurled us into the war in 1917. He used the sinking of the Lusitania as an excuse, a sinking which also was prearranged. Roosevelt, also a God-man in the eyes of the American people, followed the same technique in 1941 when he used the prearranged Pearl Harbor attack as his excuse for hurling us into World War II.

Now, exactly as the conspirators planned, victory for the Allies would eliminate all the Monarchs of the defeated Nations and leave all their people leaderless, confused, bewildered and perfectly conditioned for the one-world government, the great conspiracy intended would follow. There still would be an obstacle. The same obstacle that had balked the Illuminati and Rothschild at that Congress in Vienna peace-gathering after the Napoleonic Wars. Russia would be on the winning side this time as it was in 1814. Therefore, the Czar would be securely on his throne. Here it is pertinent to note that Russia, under the Czarist regime, had been the one country in which the Illuminati had never made any headway nor had the Rothschilds ever been able to infiltrate their banking interests. Thus, a winning Czar would be more difficult than ever to cope with. Even if he could be enticed into a so-called League of Nations, it was a foregone conclusion that he would never, but never, go for a one-world government.

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The Deep State: The climax and the creation of a new housing for their one-world government required another World War.

Even before the outbreak of World War I, the conspirators had a plan in the making to carry-out Nathan Rothschild’s vow of 1814, to destroy the Czar and also murder all possible royal heirs to the throne and it would have to be done before the close of the war. The Russian Bolsheviks were to be their instruments in this particular plot. From the turn of the century, the chiefs of the Bolsheviks were Nikolai Lenin, Leon Trotsky, and later Joseph Stalin. Of course, those were not their true family names. Prior to the outbreak of the war, Lenin headquartered in Paris, after the outbreak, Switzerland became his haven. Trotsky’s headquarters was on the lower East Side in New York, largely the habitat of Russian-Jewish refugees. Both Lenin and Trotsky were similarly bewhiskered and unkempt. In those days, that was the badge of Bolshevism.

Both lived well, yet neither had a regular occupation. Neither had any visible means of support, yet both always had plenty of money. All those mysteries were solved in 1917. Right from the outset of the war, strange and mysterious goings-on were taking place in New York. Night after night, Trotsky darted furtively in and out of Jacob Schiff’s palace-mansion and in the dead of those same nights, there were a gathering of hoodlums of New York’s lower East Side. All of them Russian refugees at Trotsky’s headquarters and all were going through some mysterious sort of training-process that was all shrouded in mystery. Nobody talked, although it did leak out that Schiff was financing all of Trotsky’s activities.

Then suddenly, Trotsky vanished and so did approximately 300 of his trained hoodlums. Actually, they were on the high seas in a Schiff-chartered ship bound for a rendezvous with Lenin and his gang in Switzerland. On that ship was $20,000,000 in gold. The $20,000,000 Schiff provided to finance the Bolsheviks takeover of Russia. In anticipation of Trotsky’s arrival, Lenin prepared to throw a party in his Switzerland hideaway. Men of the very highest places in the world were to be guests at that party. Among them were the mysterious Colonel Edward Mandell House, Woodrow Wilson’s mentor and palsy-walsy, and more important, Schiff’s special and confidential messenger. Another of the expected guests was Warburg of the Warburg Banking Clan in Germany, who was financing the Kaiser and whom the Kaiser had rewarded by making him Chief of the Secret Police of Germany. In addition, there were the Rothschilds of London and Paris also Lithenoth, Kakonavich, and Stalin, who was then the head of a train and bank robbing gang of bandits. He was known as the “Jesse James of the Urals.”

Here I must remind you that England and France were then long in the war with Germany and that on February 3, 1917, Wilson had broken off all diplomatic relations with Germany. Therefore, Warburg, Colonel House, the Rothschilds, and all those others were enemies but of course, Switzerland was neutral ground where enemies could meet and be friends and especially if they had some scheme in common. That Lenin party was very nearly wrecked by an unforeseen incident. The Schiff-chartered ship on its way to Switzerland was intercepted and taken into custody by a British warship. Schiff quickly rushed orders to Wilson to order the British to release the ship intact with Trotsky hoodlums and the gold. Wilson obeyed.

He warned the British that if they refused to release the ship, the United States would not enter the war in April as he had faithfully promised a year earlier. The British heeded the warning. Trotsky arrived in Switzerland and the Lenin party went off as scheduled. They still faced what ordinarily would have been the insurmountable obstacle of getting the Lenin-Trotsky band of terrorists across the border into Russia. That’s where Brother Warburg, Chief of the German Secret Police, came in. He loaded all those thugs into sealed freight-cars and made all the necessary arrangements for their secret entry into Russia. The rest is history. The revolution in Russia took place and all members of the Royal Romanoff family were murdered.

My chief objective is to establish beyond even a remote doubt that communism, so-called, is an integral part of the Illuminati’s great conspiracy for the enslavement of the entire world. That communism, so-called, is merely their weapon and bogyman word to terrify the peoples of the whole world and that the conquest of Russia and the creation of communism was, in great part, organized by Schiff and the other international bankers right in our own city of New York. A fantastic story? Yes. Some might even refuse to believe it. For the benefit of any doubting Thomas, I will prove it by reminding that just a few years ago, Cholly Knickerbocker, a Hearst newspaper columnist, published an interview with John Schiff, grandson of Jacob, in which young Schiff confirmed the entire story and named the figure old Jacob contributed $20,000,000.

If anybody still has even a remote doubt that the entire menace of communism was created by the masterminds of the great conspiracy right in our own city of New York, I will cite the following historical fact. All records show that when Lenin and Trotsky engineered the capture of Russia, they operated as heads of the Bolshevik’s party. Now Bolshevism is a purely Russian word. The masterminds realized that Bolshevism could never be sold as an ideology to any but the Russian people. In April 1918, Jacob Schiff dispatched Colonel House to Moscow with orders to Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin to change the name of their regime to the Communist Party and to adopt the Karl Marx Manifesto as the constitution of the Communist Party. Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin obeyed, and in that year of 1918 was when the Communist Party and the menace of communism came into being. All this is confirmed in Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary, Fifth Edition.

In short, communism was created by the capitalists. Thus, until November 11, 1918, the entire fiendish plan of the conspirators worked perfectly. All the great nations, including the United States, were war-weary, devastated, and mourning their dead. Peace was the great universal desire. Thus, when it was proposed by Wilson to set up a League of Nations to ensure peace, all the great nations, with no Russian Czar to stand in their way, jumped on that bandwagon without even stopping to read the fine print in that insurance-policy. That is, all but one, the United States, the very one that Schiff and his co-conspirators least expected would balk and that was their one fatal mistake in that early plot. You see, when Schiff planted Woodrow Wilson in the White House, the conspirators assumed that they had the United States in the proverbial bag.

Wilson had been perfectly built-up as a great humanitarian. He supposedly became established as a God-man with the American people. There was every reason for the conspirators to have believed that he would have easily hornswoggled Congress into buying the League of Nations, sight-unseen, exactly as the Congress of 1945 bought the United Nations, sight-unseen. There was one man in the Senate in 1918, who saw through that scheme just as the Russian Czar did in 1814. He was a man of great political stature, almost as great as that of Teddy Roosevelt and fully as astute. He was highly respected and trusted by all members of both houses of Congress and by the American people. The name of that great and patriotic American was Henry Cabot Lodge. Not the phony of today who called himself Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr., until he was exposed. Lodge completely unmasked Wilson and kept the United States out of the League of Nations.

Here it becomes of great interest to know the real reason for the Wilson League of Nations flop. As I previously stated, Schiff was sent to the United States to carry out four specific assignments. Number one and most important, was to acquire complete control of the U.S. money-system. Number two, as outlined in the original Weishaupt Illuminati Blueprint, he was to find the right kind of men to serve as stooges for the great conspiracy and promote them into the highest offices in our federal government, our Congress, our US Supreme Court, and all federal agencies, such as the State Department, the Pentagon, the Treasury Department, etc.

Number three, destroy the unity of the American people by creating minority groups strife throughout the nation, especially between the whites and blacks as outlined in Israel Cohen’s book. Number four, create a movement to destroy religion in the United States with Christianity to be the chief target or victim. In addition, he was strongly reminded of the imperative directive of the Illuminati blueprint to achieve full control of all mass communications media to be used to brainwash the people into believing and accepting all of the maneuverings of the great conspiracy. Schiff was warned that only control of the press, at that time our only mass communications media, would enable him to destroy the unity of the American people.

Schiff and his co-conspirators did set up the NAACP, the National Association for the Advancement of the Colored People in 1909 and in 1913 he set up the Anti-defamation League of the B’nai B’rith, both were to create the necessary strife. In the early years, the ADL operated very timidly. Perhaps for fear of a pogrom-like action by an aroused and enraged American people and the NAACP was practically dormant because its white leadership didn’t realize that they would have to develop fire-brand Negro leaders, such as Martin “Lucifer” King for one, to spark the then completely satisfied and contented mass of Negroes. In addition, he, Schiff, was busy developing and infiltrating the stooges to serve in all high places in our Washington government and in the job of acquiring control of our money system and the creation of the 16th Amendment. He also was very busy with the organizing of the plot for the takeover of Russia.

In short, he was kept so busy with all those jobs that he completely overlooked the supreme job of acquiring complete control of our mass communications media. That oversight was a direct cause for Wilson’s failure to lure the United States into the League of Nations because when Wilson decided to go to the people to overcome the opposition of the Lodge-controlled Senate, despite his established but phony reputation as a great humanitarian, he found himself faced by a solidly united people and by a loyal press whose only ideology was Americanism and the American way of life. At that time, due to the ineptness and ineffectiveness of the ADL and the NAACP, there were no organized minority-groups, no Negro problems, no so-called anti-Semitic problems to sway the people’s thinking. There were no lefts and there were no rights, no prejudices for crafty exploitations. Thus Wilson’s League of Nations appeal fell on deaf ears. That was the end of Woodrow Wilson, the conspirators’ great humanitarian. He quickly abandoned his crusade and returned to Washington where he shortly died an imbecile brought on by syphilis and that was the end of the League of Nations as a corridor into one-world government.

That debacle was a terrible disappointment to the masterminds of the Illuminati conspiracy, but they were not discouraged. As I have previously stressed, this enemy never quits. They simply decided to reorganize and try from scratch again. By this time, Schiff was very old and slow. He knew it. He knew that the conspiracy needed a new younger and more active leadership. On his orders, Colonel House and Bernard Baruch organized and set up what they called the Council on Foreign Relations, the new name under which the Illuminati would continue to function in the United States. The hierarchy, officers, and directors of the CFR is composed principally of descendants of the original Illuminati, many of whom had abandoned their old family name and acquired new Americanized names. For one example, we have Dillon, who was Secretary of Treasury of the United States, whose original name was Laposky.

Another example is Paley, head of the CBS TV channel, whose true name is Palinsky. The membership of the CFR is approximately 1,000 in number and contains the heads of virtually every industrial empire in America such as Blough, president of the U.S. Steel Corporation, Rockefeller, King of the Oil Industry, Henry Ford, II, and so on. Of course, all the international bankers, also, the heads of the tax-free foundations are officers and/or active CFR members. In short, all the men who provided the money and the influence to elect the CFR chosen Presidents of the United States, the Congressmen, the Senators, and who decide the appointments of our various Secretaries of State, of the Treasury, of every important federal agency are members of the CFR and they are very obedient members indeed.

Just to cement that fact, I will mention the names of the few of the United States Presidents who were members of the CFR. Franklin Roosevelt, Herbert Hoover, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Jack Kennedy. Others who were considered for the presidency is Thomas E. Dewey, Adlai Stevenson, Nixon and Vice President of a CFR subsidiary, Barry Goldwater. Among the important cabinet members of the various administrations we have, John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, Cordell Hull, John J. MacLeod, Morgenthau, Clarence Dillon, Rusk, McNamara, and just to emphasize the red color of the CFR, we have as members such men as Alger Hiss, Ralph Bunche, Pasvolsky, Haley Dexter White real name “Weiss,” Owen Lattimore, Philip Jaffey, etc. Simultaneously, they were flooding thousands of homosexuals and other black malleable characters into all the federal agencies from the White House on down. Remember Johnson’s great friend, Jenkins and Bobby Baker?

Now, there were many jobs the new CFR had to accomplish. They required much help. Their first job was to set up various subsidiaries to whom they assigned special objectives. I can’t name all the subsidiaries in this recording, but the following are a few. The Foreign Policy Association, FPA, the World Affairs Council, WAC, the Business Advisory Council, BAC, the notorious ADA, Americans for Democratic Action virtually headed by Walter Ruther, the notorious 13-13 in Chicago, Barry Goldwater was, and no doubt still is a Vice-President of one of the CFR subsidiaries. In addition, the CFR set up special committees in every state in the Union to whom they assigned the various state operations.

Simultaneously, the Rothschilds set up similar CFR-like control groups in England, France, Germany, and other Nations to control world conditions and cooperate with the CFR to bring about another world war. The CFR’s first and foremost job was to get complete control of our mass communications media. The control of the press was assigned to Rockefeller. Thus, Henry Luce, who recently died, was financed to set up a number of national magazines, among them Life, Time, Fortune and others, which publish USSR in America. The Rockefellers also directly or indirectly financed the Cowles Brothers’ Look magazine and a chain of newspapers. They also financed a man named Sam Newhouse to buy up and build a chain of newspapers all over the country. The late Eugene Meyer, one of the founders of CFR, bought the Washington Post, Newsweek, the Weekly Magazine, and other publications.

At the same time, the CFR began to develop and nurture a new-breed of scurrilous columnists and editorial writers such as Walter Lippmann, Drew Pearson, the Allsops, Herbert Matthews, Erwin Canham, and others of that ilk who called themselves Liberals who proclaimed that Americanism is isolationism, that isolationism is war mongerism. That anti-communism is anti-Semiticism and racism. All that took time, of course, but today our entire press, except for some local small-town papers weeklies, published by patriotic organizations, is completely controlled by CFR stooges and thus they finally succeeded in breaking us up into a Nation of quarreling, wrangling, squabbling, hating factions.

If you still wonder about this slanted news and outright lies you read in your paper, you now have the answer. To the Lehmans, Goldman Sachs, Kuhn Loeb, and the Warburgs, the CFR assigned the job of getting control of the motion picture industry, Hollywood, radio, and television, and believe me, they succeeded. If you still wonder about the strange propaganda broadcast by the Ed Morrows, Jeff Huntley, Howard K. Smith, Erick Severide, Drew Pearson and others of that ilk, you now have the answer. If you wonder about all the smut, sex, pornography, and mixed marriage films you see in your movie theater and on your TV set, all of which is demoralizing our youth, you now have the answer.

The whole story of the CFR conspiracy take-over of our mass communications media is far too long to included in this recording but you can find it in the news bulletin #125 entitled, How to Get the ‘Reds’ Out of Communications Media. It was published and brought up to date by the Cinema Educational Guild. It tells in detail how the press, movies, the TV and Radio have been, and still are, used to brainwash the people and demoralize our youth and they have been and still are encouraging and creating sympathy for the rioting Negroes civil rights lawlessness. You can get a copy of this news bulletin by writing to the Cinema Educational Guild, PO Box 46205, Hollywood California. Now, to refresh your memory, let’s go back for a moment. Wilson’s flop had torpedoed all chances of transforming that League of Nations into the conspirators hope for a one-world government housing.

The Jacob Schiff plot had to be done all over again and they organized the CFR to do it. We also know how successfully the CFR did that job of brainwashing and destroying the unity of the American people. As was the case with the Schiff plot, the climax and the creation of a new housing for their one-world government required another world war. A war that would be even more horrible and more devastating than the first world war in order to get the people of the world to again clamor for peace and a means to end all wars. The CFR realized that the aftermath of World War II would have to be more carefully planned so that there would be no escape from the new one-world trap, another League of Nations that would emerge from the new war. That trap we now know as the United Nations and they hit upon a perfect strategy to ensure that no one escaped. Here is how they did it.

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The Deep State: The aftermath of World War II would have to be more carefully planned so that there would be no escape from the new one-world trap.

In 1943, in the midst of the war, they prepared the framework for the United Nations and it was handed-over to Roosevelt and our State Department to be given birth by Alger Hess, Palvosky, Dalton, Trumbull, and other American traitors. Thus making the whole scheme a United States’ baby. Then to fix our parenthood, New York City was to become the nursery for the monstrosity. After that, we could hardly walk-out on our own baby now could we? Anyway, that’s how the conspirators figured it would work and so far it has. The liberal Rockefeller donated the land for the United Nations’ building. The United Nations’ charter was written by Alger Hiss, Palvosky, Dalton, Trumbull, and other CFR stooges.

A phony, so-called, UN conference was set up in San Francisco in 1945. All the so-called, representatives of 50-odd Nations gathered there and promptly signed the Charter and the despicable traitor, Alger Hiss, flew to Washington with it, elatedly submitted it to our Senate, and the Senate, elected by our people to safeguard our security, signed the Charter without so much as reading it. The question is, “How many of our Senators were even then traitorous stooges of the CFR?” Anyway, it was thus that the people accepted the United Nations as a holy of holies and enabled traitor Earl Warren to virtually destroy our Constitution by basing all his traitorous decisions on the UN Charter. Thus, making that Charter virtually our Law of the Land.

However, for all the dirty work that had to be done to solidify the UN, the new housing of the one-world plot, they still require the aide of our leaders in Washington. Now I will emphasize the fiendish cleverness of the CFR masterminds. To the vast majority of the American people, our foreign policy for many years has been a complete enigma. Most of us simply can’t understand why this great nation is seemingly floundering so helplessly in the art of diplomacy. We can’t understand why our leaders are seemingly so confused and bewildered in all their dealings with Moscow, France, and other nations and with the UN.

We always hear them proclaiming that in view of our overwhelming economic and military superiority, we must always lead from strength. Yet, at all the summit meetings and conferences, they cringe and stammer, and stutter, and so to speak come out with their tails between their hind legs. We can’t understand the foreign aid to Tito an avowed enemy, to Poland an avowed enemy, to all the avowed Communists nations. We can’t understand why the expenditure of hundreds of billions of dollars has failed to slow down, let alone stop, the march of Communism. We are perplexed by the seeming ineptness of the State Department, the Defense Department, the CIA, the USIA, of all our federal agencies.

Again and again and again, we have been startled, shocked, bewildered and horrified by their mistakes in Berlin, in Korea, in Laos, in Katanga, in Cuba, in Vietnam, mistakes that always favored the enemy, never the United States. Under the law of averages, they should have made at least one or two mistakes in our favor, but they never did. What’s the answer? The answer is the CFR and the parts played by their subsidiaries and stooges in Washington. Thus, we know that complete control of our foreign relation policy is the key to the success of the entire Illuminati one-world order plot. Here is the further proof. Earlier, I fully established that Schiff and his gang had financed the Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin takeover of Russia and fashioned its Communist regime into becoming their chief instrument to keep the world in turmoil and to finally terrorize all of us into seeking peace in a UN one-world government. The conspirators knew that the Moscow gang could not.

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About Myron Fagan

Who’s Who in The Theater has always been the bible of the people in the legitimate theater. It never played favorites, it told no lies, it glorified nobody. It always was an unbiased history of the men and women in the theater. It recorded only those who proved their worth in the one -and only one- testing place of the theater, Broadway. And that Who’s Who records the plays that Myron C. Fagan wrote, directed and produced: Dramas, Comedies, Melodramas, Mysteries, Allegories, and Farces – many of them the most resounding hits of their years.

He arrived on Broadway in 1907, 19 years old, the youngest playwright in the history of the American Theater. In the following years, he wrote and directed plays for many of the greats of those days including Mrs. Leslie Carter, Wilton Lackaye, Fritz Leiber, Alla Nazimova, Jack Barrymore, Douglas Fairbanks, Sr., E.H. Southern, Julia Marlowe, Helen Morgan, etc, . He directed Charles M. Frohman, Belasco, Henry W. Savage, Lee Shubert, Abe Erlanger, and George M. Cohan, among others. In the 5 years between 1925 and 1930 he wrote, personally directed, and produced twelve plays: The White Rose, Thumbs Down, Two Strangers from Nowhere, Mismates, The Fascinating Devil, The Little Spitfire, Jimmy’s Women, The Great Power, Indiscretion, Nancy’s Private Affair, Smart Woman, and Peter Flies High.

During his early years; Mr. Fagan was also Dramatic Editor for The Associated Newspapers, including The New York Globe and various Hearst newspapers. But in 1916 he took a sabbatical from the theater and served as Director of Public Relations for Charles Evens Hughes; the Republican Candidate for the President. He refused a similar post offered him for the Herbert Hoover campaign in 1928. Mr. Fagan’s career thus encompassed the theater, journalism, and national politics. He was a proven expert in all those fields.

In 1930; Mr. Fagan came to Hollywood where he served as Writer-Director with Pathe Pictures, Inc., then owned by Joseph P. Kennedy, father of the late President Jack Kennedy, and also at 20th Century Fox, and other Hollywood Film Studios, but he also continued in the Broadway legitimate field.

In 1945, at the urgent request of John T. Flynn (the famous author of The Roosevelt Myth, While We Slept, and The True Story of Pearl Harbor ), Mr. Fagan attended a meeting in Washington D.C. where he was shown a set of micro-films and recordings of the SECRET meetings at Yalta attended only by Franklin Roosevelt, Alger Hess, Harry Hopkins, Stalin, Molotov, and Vishinsky when they hatched the plot to deliver the Balkans, Eastern Europe and Berlin to Stalin. As a result of that viewing, Mr. Fagan wrote two plays: Red Rainbow (in which he revealed that entire plot) and Thieves Paradise (in which he revealed how those men plotted to create the United Nations to be the “housing” for a so-called Communist, One-World Government).

At the same time; Mr. Fagan launched a one man crusade to unmask the Red Conspiracy in Hollywood which had set about to produce films that would aid that One World Governement plot. Out of that came into being the Cinema Educational Guild. As a result of the work of the CEG headed by Mr. Fagan in 1947 came the congressional hearings at which more than 300 famous stars, writers, and directors from Hollywood, Radio, and TV were unmasked as the chief activists of the Red Conspiracy. That was when the infamous “Hollywood Ten” were sent to prison. It was the most sensational event of the decade.

From that time on, Mr. Fagan has devoted all of his time and efforts to writing monthly News Bulletins for CEG in which he has kept up the fight to alert the American people to the plot to destroy the sovereignty of the United States of America and the ensuing enslavement of the American people in a United Nations’ One World Government.

In his sensational recording [this transcript], he reveals the beginning of the One World enslavement plot that was launched two centuries ago by one Adam Weishaupt, an apostate Catholic Priest who- financed by the House of Rothchild-created what Weishaupt called the Illuminati. Mr. Fagan describes with documentary evidence, how this Illuminati became the instrument of the House of Rothschild to achieve a One World Government and how every war during the past two centuries was fomented by this Illuminati. He describes how one Jacob H. Schiff was sent to the United States by the Rothschilds to further the Illuminati plot and how Schiff plotted to get control of both the Democratic and the Republican Parties. How Schiff seduced our Congress and our Presidents to achieve control of our entire money system and create the Income Tax cancer and how Schiff and his co-conspirators created the Council on Foreign Relations to control our elected officials to gradually drive the U.S. into becoming an enslaved unit of a United Nations, One World Government.

In short, this recording is the most interesting, the most horrifying – and factual – story of the most sensational plot in the history of the World. Everybody who loves our country – who loves God – who would save Christianity (which the Illuminati is dedicated to destroy)- who would save our sons from dying in Korea, in Vietnam, in South African, and now on the battlefields of the Middle East, should hear this recording. There is absolutely no doubt that anyone who does hear this amazing story will join in the fight to save our country and our nation’s youth.

(Myron Fagan’s recording took place sometime in the 1960’s. Please take the time to verify the statements made herein. We don’t expect you to take Mr. Fagan’s word at face value. We suggest that you visit the Law and Depository libraries that are located throughout your state. The telephone numbers and addresses listed herein are most likely out of date as Mr. Fagan is no longer with us.

Exposing The Deep State with Myron Fagan

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The word Illuminati means “holder of the light” which was taken from the name “Lucifer” itself. This is the council in which the US government uses the promise of world peace as front when its true aim is to enslave not only America, but the rest of the world. Myron Fagan who exposed 300 famous Hollywood stars, writers, and directors as chief activists of the Red Conspiracy, made a recording in the Council on Foreign Relations, exposing the Deep State. He waged war against this one-world government that seems to have orchestrated cryptocurrency 30 years before the name was even conceived. This recording that took place between 1967 and 1968 gives you reason to keep fighting for America’s freedom and its youth.

We have a great lineup for you now and it will be a three-part series, Exposing the Deep State. We’re going to play for you a recording that was done in 1967 by a gentleman by the name of Myron Fagan. Mr. Fagan puts together a great synopsis of how and why the world works the way it does and the economic deception that you have fallen into, not just going to expose the problem, but the solution of how we get out of this horrible nightmare that was an orchestrated plan plotted, probably, before you were ever born. I believe most of you would never come across a recording like this and that’s why we want to expose you to this great information. Let’s get started.

Between 1967 and 1968, Myron Fagan recorded the Illuminati and the Council on Foreign Relations, where Washington has the power to manage the news media and provide misinformation. Your first fact-check is going to be Operation Mockingbird. That’s where this was created. There was a plan to establish a one-world government where they will control everything in your life. If you’re not a good slave, then you will not be able to buy or sell anything. It all forms around the United Nations. Let’s look at what they’ve done so far. A police action in Korea fought by the United States where 150,000 of our young men were murdered; an undeclared war by Congress in Vietnam where over a million people died. All of these wars were orchestrated by the United Nations that is controlled by a small group of men that all tied back to the Rothschild family. We’re going to go back to the 18th Century so you’ll have an understanding of the men that put this plot together to destroy the United States from within. No one could capture the United States from without, so they needed to set up an organization to destroy the United States from within.

Mr. Fagan does an excellent job in giving you a blueprint of how to start your research about this satanic plot to bring about a one-world government to enslave the entire planet. Is cryptocurrency part of the plan? In The Economist Magazine, January of 1988, front cover, a magazine owned by the Rothschild family, there is a phoenix rising out of the ashes along with a prophecy that in 30 years, there will be no more paper currency and all currency will be digital. How could they know 30 years ago what would happen in today’s economy? Is it purely coincidental? I don’t think so. That’s why it is vitally important for you to understand exactly how the cryptocurrency works and more importantly, who controls it. If you believe the story behind Bitcoin and its founder, of course who doesn’t want to be identified, maybe you’ve taken the blue pill. In the Matrix, the movie, you can take a red pill and wake up and see how far down the rabbit hole goes, or you can take the blue pill and go back to sleep as if nothing has ever happened.

JFS 011 | Exposing The Deep State
Exposing The Deep State: If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.

One of the people that Mr. Fagan talks about is Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson has several quotes and one of the quotes is “If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.” Our elected officials are the traders in this country we call America, and as you go to vote in 2018 and 2020, keep this in mind, the person that you vote for, are they an attorney admitted to the bar? Are they connected in any way to the Council of Foreign Relations? Are they part of another secret society? Washington needs to be eviscerated of the criminals because they have enslaved you, the people, with their rules, codes and statutes where they are exempt from following them. They have preyed on the ignorance of the American people. They’ve given you Hollywood, sports stars, fake news, Republicans, Democrats to watch and keep you entertained and distracted. They have stolen your labor by paying you with fiat currency created out of thin air.

If you look at your dollar bill, it says that this is a note for public and private use. It’s a promise to pay you some day, but they never tell you when they’re going to pay you, or once they do pay you, what it’s going to be worth. Yet you have placed your assets and they have given you paper currency for those assets. This will be a three part recording and it’s only the starting place for you to find out the truth behind America, its wars, the phony illegitimate Federal Reserve System and the people that want to enslave you. For some, this will be a wake-up call to take action and throw these traders out of Washington this year. There is another secret group that has been set up called the Senior Executive Services. Those are the people that control a majority of the federal agencies and the state and local administrations. It would be good for you to do your own research on the Senior Executive Services because it sure looks a whole lot like Nazi Germany. Sit back, relax and enjoy the program.

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Exposing The Deep State with Myron Fagan

“The question of how and why the United Nations is the crux of the great conspiracy to destroy the sovereignty of the United States and the enslavement of the American people within a UN one world-dictatorship is a complete and unknown mystery to the vast majority of the American people. The reason for this unawareness of the frightening danger to our country and to the entire free world is simple. The masterminds behind this great conspiracy have absolute control of all of our mass communications media, especially television, the radio, the press, and Hollywood. We all know that our State Department, the Pentagon and the White House have brazenly proclaimed that they have the right and the power to manage the news to tell us not the truth, but what they want us to believe. They have seized that power on orders from their masters of the great conspiracy and the objective is to brainwash the people into accepting the phony piece bait to transform the United States into an enslaved unit of the United Nations one-world government.

First of all, bear in mind that the so-called UN police action in Korea fought by the United States in which 150,000 of our sons were murdered and maimed, was part of the plot just as the undeclared by Congress War in Vietnam in which our sons are dying is part of the plot. Just as the plot against Rhodesia and South Africa in which our sons will be dying is part of the UN plot. However, the vitally important thing for all Americans, all you mothers of the boys who died in Korea and are now dying in Vietnam, to know, is that our so-called leaders in Washington, who we elected to safeguard our nation and our constitution, are the betrayers and that behind them are a comparatively small group of men whose sole objective is to enslave the whole world of humanity and they’re satanic plot of one-world government. Now, in order to give you a very clear picture of this satanic plot, I will go back to its beginning, clear back in the middle of the 18th Century and name the man who put that plot into action and then bring you down to the present, today’s status of that plot.

Now, as a matter of further intelligence, a term used by the FBI, let me clarify the meaning of the expression, “He is a liberal.” The enemy, meaning the one word conspirators, have seized upon that word liberal as a cover up for their activities. It sounds so innocent and so humanitarian to be liberal will make sure that the person who calls himself a liberal or is described as a liberal is not in truth a red. Now then, this satanic plot was launched back in the 1760s when it first came into existence under the name of the Illuminati. This illuminati was organized by one Adam Weishaupt, born a Jew who was converted to Catholicism and became a Catholic priest. Then at the behest of the then newly organized House of Rothschild, defected and organized the Illuminati. Naturally, the Rothschilds financed that operation. Every war since then beginning with the French Revolution, has been promoted by the Illuminati operating under various names and guises. I say under various names and guises because after the Illuminati was exposed and became too notorious, Weishaupt and his co-conspirators began to operate under various other names.

In the United States, immediately after World War I, they set up what they called the Council on Foreign Relations, commonly referred to as the CFR. This CFR is actually the Illuminati in the United States and its hierarchy. The masterminds in control of the CFR to a very great extent, are the descendants of the original Illuminati conspirators. To conceal that fact, most of them changed their original family names to American-sounding names. For example, the true name of the Dillons, Clarence Douglas Dillon, once Secretary of the US Treasury Department, is Laposky. I’ll come back to all this later.

There is a similar establishment of the Illuminati in England operating under the name of the British Institute of International Affairs. There are similar secret Illuminati organizations in France, Germany and other nations operating under different names. All these organizations, including the CFR, continuously set up numerous subsidiary or front organizations that are infiltrated into every phase of the various nations’ affairs, but at all times, the operations of these organizations were and are masterminded and controlled by the internationalist bankers who in turn were and are controlled by the Rothschilds.

The details of how they accomplished the setting up of the CFR in the United States, as also in the other nations, are far too voluminous to be described in this dissertation, but you can find it complete in News Bulletin Number 122 entitled UN is Spawn of the Illuminati and News Bulletin Number 123 entitled CFR Completely Unmasked as Illuminati. Both are published by the Cinema Educational Guild, Post Office Box 46205, Hollywood, California. You can get them for 50 cents per copy by writing to that address. Those news bulletins reveal the names of the original founders of the Illuminati and the Americanized names of their descendants in the present CFR.

I’ll go back to the activities of the original Illuminati conspirators. As revealed in News Bulletin Number 122, one branch of the Rothschild family had financed Napoleon. Another branch of the Rothschilds, both branches the real masterminds of the Illuminati, financed Britain, Germany, and the other nations in the Napoleonic wars. Immediately after the Napoleonic wars, the Illuminati assumed that all the nations were so destitute and so weary of wars that they’d be glad for any solution. The Rothschild stooges set up what they called the Congress in Vienna and at that meeting, they tried to create the first League of Nations, their first attempted one-world government, on the theory that all the crowned heads of European governments were so deeply in debt to them that they would willingly or unwillingly serve as their stooges. The Czar of Russia caught the stench of the plot and completely torpedoed it. The enraged Nathan Rothschild, then the head of that dynasty vowed that someday, he or his descendants would destroy the Czar and his entire family and his descendants did accomplish that very threat in 1917.

At this point, bear in mind, that the Illuminati was not set up to operate on a short-range basis. Normally, a conspirator of any type enters into a conspiracy with the expectation of achieving his objective during his own lifetime, but that was not the case with the Illuminati. True, they hoped to accomplish their objective during their lifetime, but paraphrasing ‘the show must go on,’ the Illuminati operates on the very long-range basis. Whether it will take scores of years or even centuries, they have dedicated their descendants to keep the plot boiling until they hope the conspiracy is achieved.

Let’s go back to the birth of the Illuminati. Adam Weishaupt was a Jesuit-trained professor of Canon Law teaching in Ingolstadt University when he defected from Christianity to embrace the luciferian conspiracy. It was in 1770 that the professional money lenders, the then recently organized House of Rothschild, retained him to revise and modernize the age-old Protocols of Zionism, which from the outset was designed to give the Synagogue of Satan, so named by Jesus Christ, ultimate world domination so they could impose the luciferian ideology upon what would remain of the human race after the final social cataclysm by use of satanic despotism. Weishaupt completed his task on May 1, 1776. Now, you know why May 1 is the great day with all communist nations to this very day.

That was the day, May 1, 1776 that Weishaupt completed his plan and officially organized the Illuminati to put the plan into execution. That plan required the destruction of all existing governments and religions. That objective was to be reached by dividing the masses of people whom he, Weishaupt, termed “goyim” or “human cattle” into opposing camps in ever increasing numbers on political, social, economic, and other issues, the very conditions we have in our country today. The opposing sides were then to be armed and incidents provided which would cause them to fight and weaken themselves and gradually destroy national governments and religious institutions. Again I say, the very conditions in the world today, and at this point, let me stress is a prime feature of the Illuminati plans. When and if their blueprint for world control, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, is discovered and exposed, they would wipe all the Jews off the face of the earth in order to divert suspicions from themselves. If you think this is far-fetched, bear in mind that they permitted Hitler, a liberal socialist himself who was financed by corrupt Kennedy, the Warburgs, and the Rothschilds, to incinerate 600,000 Jews.

Now, just why did the conspirators choose the word Illuminati for their satanic organization? Weishaupt himself said that the word is derived from Lucifer and means ‘holders of the light.’ Using the lie that his objective was to bring about a one-world government to enable those with mental ability to govern the world and prevent all wars in the future, in short, using the word peace on earth as his bait exactly as that same bait ‘peace’ was used by the 1945 conspirators to force the United Nations on us. Weishaupt, financed, I repeat, by the Rothschilds, recruited some 2,000 paid followers. These included the most intelligent man in the fields of arts and letters, education, the sciences, finance, and industry. He then established Lodges of the Grand Orient, Masonic Lodges, to be their secret headquarters and I again repeat, that in all of this he was acting under orders from the House of Rothschild. The main features of the Weishaupt plan of operation required his Illuminati to do the following things to help them to accomplish their purpose.

Number one, use monetary and sex bribery to obtain control of men already in high places in the various levels of all governments and other fields of endeavor. Once influential persons had fallen for the lies, deceits and temptations of the Illuminati, they were to be held in bondage by application of political and other forms of blackmail, threats of financial ruin, public exposure, and physical harm, even death to themselves and loved members of their families. Do you realize how many present top officials in our federal government in Washington are controlled in just that way by the CFR? Do you realize how many homosexuals in our State Department, the Pentagon, all federal agencies, even in the White House, are controlled that way?

Number two, Illuminati on the faculties of colleges and universities were to cultivate students possessing exceptional mental ability belonging to well-bred families with international leanings and recommend them for special training in internationalism. Such training was to be provided by granting scholarships to those selected by the Illuminists. That gives you an idea what a “Rhodes Scholarship” means. It means indoctrination into accepting the idea that only a one-world government can put an end to recurring wars and strife. That’s how the United Nations was sold to the American people. One of the most notable Rhodes scholars we have in our country is Senator William J. Fulbright, sometimes referred to as half-bright. His entire voting record spells Illuminati. All such scholars were to be first persuaded and then convinced that men of special talent and brains have the right to rule those less gifted on the ground that the masses don’t know what is best for them physically, mentally, and spiritually.

In addition to the Rhodes and similar scholarships, today there are three special Illuminati schools located in Gordonstoun in Scotland, Salem in Germany, and Anavryta in Greece. These three are known ones, but there are others that are kept undercover. Prince Philip, the husband of Britain’s Queen Elizabeth, was educated at Gordonstoun at the instigation of Lord Louis Mountbatten, his uncle, a Rothschild relative, who became Britain’s Admiral of the Fleet after World War II ended.

Number three, all influential people trapped into coming under the control of the Illuminati, plus the students who had been specially educated and trained, were to be used as agents and placed behind the scenes of all governments as experts and specialists so they would advise the top executives to adopt policies which would, in the long run, serve the secret plans of the Illuminati one-world conspiracy and bring about the destruction of the governments and religions they were elected or appointed to serve. Do you know how many such men operate in our government at this very time? Rusk, McNamara, Hubert Humphrey, Fulbright, Keekle, and go on and on and on.

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Exposing The Deep State: The very conditions in the world today, and at this point, let me stress is a prime feature of the Illuminati plans.

Number four, perhaps the most vital directive in Weishaupt’s plan was to obtain absolute control of the press, at that time the only mass communications media, to distribute information to the public so that all news and information could be slanted so that the masses could be convinced that a one-world government is the only solution to our many and varied problems. Now, do you know who owns and controls our mass communications media? I’ll tell you. Practically all the movie lots in Hollywood are owned by the Lehmans, Kuhn, Loeb & Co., Goldman-Sachs; and other internationalist bankers. All the national radio and TV channels in the nation are owned and controlled by those same internationalists bankers. The same is true of every chain of metropolitan newspapers and magazines, also of the press wire services, such as Associated Press, United Press International, etc. The supposed heads of all those media are merely the fronts for the internationalist bankers, who in turn compose the hierarchy of the CFR, today’s Illuminati in America.

Now, can you understand why the Pentagon Press agent, Sylvester, so brazenly proclaimed that the government has the right to lie to the people? What he really meant was that our CFR-controlled government had the power to lie to and be believed by the brain-washed American people. Let us again go back to the first days of the Illuminati. Because Britain and France were the two greatest world powers in the late years of the 18th Century, Weishaupt ordered the Illuminati to foment the colonial wars, including our Revolutionary War, to weaken the British Empire and organize the French Revolution to destroy the French empire. He scheduled the French Revolution to start in 1789. However, in 1784, a true act of God placed the Bavarian government in possession of evidence which proved the existence of the Illuminati and that evidence could have saved France if they, the French government, hadn’t refused to believe it.

Here is how that act of God happened. It was in 1784 that Weishaupt issued his orders for the French Revolution. A German writer, named Zwack, put it into book form. It contained the entire Illuminati story and Weishaupt’s plans. A copy of this book was sent to the Illuminists in France headed by Robespierre whom Weishaupt had delegated to foment the French Revolution. The courier was struck and killed by lightning as he rode through Rallestown on his way from Frankfurt to Paris. The police found the subversive documents on his body and turned them over to the proper authorities.

After a careful study of the plot; the Bavarian government ordered the police to raid Weishaupt’s newly organized Lodges of the Grand Orient and the homes of his most influential associates. All additional evidence thus discovered convinced the authorities that the documents were genuine copies of the conspiracy by which the Illuminati planned to use wars and revolutions to bring about the establishment of a one-world government; the powers of which they, headed by the Rothschilds, intended to usurp as soon as it was established, exactly in line with the United Nations’ plot of today.

In 1785, the Bavarian government outlawed the Illuminati and closed the Lodges of the Grand Orient. In 1786, they published all the details of the conspiracy. The English title of that publication is, ‘The Original Writings of the Order and the Sect of the Illuminati.’ Copies of the entire conspiracy were sent to all the heads of church and state in Europe, but the power of the Illuminati, which was actually the power of the Rothschilds, was so great that this warning was ignored. Nevertheless, the Illuminati became a dirty word and it went underground. At the same time, Weishaupt ordered Illuminists to infiltrate into the Lodges of Blue Masonry and form their own secret societies within all secret societies. Only Masons who proved themselves internationalists and those whose conduct proved they had defected from God were initiated into the Illuminati. Thenceforth, the conspirators donned the cloak of philanthropy and humanitarianism to conceal their revolutionary and subversive activities.

In order to infiltrate into Masonic Lodges in Britain, Weishaupt invited John Robison over to Europe. Robison was a high degree Mason in the Scottish Rite. He was a professor of natural philosophy at Edinburgh University and Secretary of the Royal Society of Edinburgh. Robison did not fall for the lie that the objective of the Illuminati was to create a benevolent dictatorship; but he kept his reactions to himself so well that he was entrusted with a copy of Weishaupt’s revised conspiracy for study and safekeeping. Anyway, because the heads of state and church in France were deluded into ignoring the warnings given them, the revolution broke out in 1789 as scheduled by Weishaupt. In order to alert other governments to their danger, in 1798, Robison published a book entitled, Proof of a Conspiracy to Destroy all Governments and Religions, but his warnings were ignored exactly as our American people have been ignoring all warnings about the United Nations and the Council on Foreign Relations, the CFR.

Here is something that will stun and very likely outrage many who hear this, but there is documentary proof that our own Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton became students of Weishaupt. Jefferson was one of Weishaupt’s strongest defenders when he was outlawed by his government and it was Jefferson who infiltrated the Illuminati into the then newly organized lodges of the Scottish Rite in New England. Here is the proof.

In 1789, John Robison warned all Masonic leaders in America that the Illuminati had infiltrated into their lodges and on July 19, 1789, David Papen, President of Harvard University, issued the same warning to the graduating class and lectured them on the influence Illuminism was acquiring on American politics and religion, and to top it off, John Quincy Adams, who had organized the New England Masonic Lodges, issued his warnings. He wrote three letters to Colonel William L. Stone, a top Mason, in which he exposed how Jefferson was using Masonic lodges for subversive Illuministic purposes. Those three letters are at this very time in Whittenburg Square Library in Philadelphia. In short, Jefferson, Founder of the Democratic Party, was a member of the Illuminati which at least partly accounts for the condition of the party at this time and through infiltration of the Republican Party, we have exactly nothing of loyal Americanism today.

That disastrous rebuff at the Congress of Vienna created by the Czar of Russia, did not by any means destroy the Illuminati conspiracy. It merely forced them to adopt a new strategy. Realizing that the one-world idea was, for the moment, killed, the Rothschilds decided that to keep the plot alive, they’d have to do it by heightening their control of the money systems of the European nations. Earlier, by a ruse, the outcome of the Battle of Waterloo had been falsified. Rothschild had spread a story that Napoleon had one bad battle. That precipitated a terrific panic on the stock market in England.

All stocks had plummeted down to practically zero and Nathan Rothschild bought all the stocks for virtually a penny on its dollar values. That gave him complete control of the economy of Britain and virtually of all Europe. Immediately after that Congress in Vienna had boomeranged, Rothschild forced Britain to set up a new Bank of England which he absolutely controlled. Exactly, as later through Jacob Schiff, he engineered our own Federal Reserve Act which gave the House of Rothschild a secret control of the economy in the United States. But now for a moment, let’s dwell on the activities of the Illuminati in the United States.

In 1826, one Captain William Morgan decided it was his duty to inform all Masons and the general public what the full truth was regarding the Illuminati, their secret plans, and intended objectives, also reveal the identities of the masterminds of the conspiracy. The Illuminati promptly tried Morgan in absentia and convicted him of treason. They ordered one Richard Howard, an English Illuminist, to carry out their sentence of execution as a traitor. Morgan was warned and he tried to escape to Canada, but Howard caught up with him near the border, near the Niagara Gorge to be exact, where he murdered him.

This was verified in a sworn statement made in New York by one Avery Allen to the effect that he heard Howard render his report of the execution to a meeting of Knights Templars in St. John’s Hall in New York. He also told how arrangements had been made to ship Howard back to England. That Allen affidavit is on record in New York City Archives. Very few Masons and very few of the general public know that general disapproval over that incident of murder caused approximately half of all the Masons in the northern jurisdiction of the United States to secede. Copies of the minutes of the meeting held to discuss that matter are still in existence in safe hands and that all that secrecy emphasizes the power of the masterminds of the Illuminati to prevent such terrible events of history from being taught in our schools.

In the early 1850’s, the Illuminati held a secret meeting in New York which was addressed by a British Illuminist named Wright. Those in attendance were told that the Illuminati was organizing to unite the Nihilist and Atheist groups with all other subversive groups into an international group to be known as Communists. That was when the word ‘communist’ first came into being and it was intended to be the supreme weapon and scare word to terrify the whole world and drive the terrorized peoples into the Illuminati one-world scheme. This scheme, communism, was to be used to enable the Illuminati to foment future wars and revolutions.

Clinton Roosevelt, a direct ancestor of Franklin Roosevelt; Horace Greeley; and Charles Dana, foremost newspaper publishers of that time, were appointed to head a committee to raise funds for the new venture. Of course, most of the funds were provided by the Rothschilds and this fund was used to finance Karl Marx and Engels when they wrote Das Kapital and The Communist Manifesto in Soho, England, and this clearly reveals that communism is not a so-called ideology, but a secret weapon, a boogeyman word to serve the purpose of the Illuminati.

Weishaupt died in 1830, but prior to his death, he prepared a revised version of the age-old conspiracy, the Illuminati, which under various aliases was to organize, finance, direct, and control all international organizations and groups by working their agents into executive positions at the top. In the United States we have Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Jack Kennedy, Johnson, Rusk, McNamara, Fulbright, etc. as prime examples. In addition, while Karl Marx was writing The Communist Manifesto under the director of one group of Illuminists, Professor Karl Ritter of Frankfurt University was writing the antithesis under the direction of another group.

The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies to enable them to divide larger and larger members of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other, and particularly to destroy all political and religious institutions. The work Ritter started was continued after his death and completed by the German so-called philosopher Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche who founded Nietzscheanism. This Nietzscheanism was later developed into Fascism and then into Nazism and was used to foment World Wars I and II.

In 1834, the Italian revolutionary leader, Guiseppe Mazzini, was selected by the Illuminati to direct their revolutionary program throughout the world. He served in that capacity until he died in 1872, but some years before he died, Mazzini had enticed an American General named Albert Pike into the Illuminati. Pike was fascinated by the idea of a one-world government and ultimately he became the head of this luciferian conspiracy. Between 1859 and 1871, he, Pike, worked out a military blueprint for three world wars and various revolutions throughout the world which he considered would forward the conspiracy to its final stage in the 20th Century. Again, I remind that these conspirators were never concerned with immediate success. They also operated on a long-range view.

Pike did most of his work in his home in Little Rock, Arkansas. A few years later, when the Illuminati’s Lodges of the Grand Orient became suspect and repudiated because of Mazzini’s revolutionary activities in Europe, Pike organized what he called the new and reformed Palladian Rite. He set up three Supreme Councils, one in Charleston, South Carolina; one in Rome, Italy; and the third in Berlin, Germany. He had Mazzini establish 23 subordinate councils in strategic locations throughout the world. These have been the secret headquarters of the world revolutionary movement ever since. Long before Marconi invented the radio, the scientists in the Illuminati had found the means for Pike and the heads of his councils to communicate secretly. It was the discovery of that secret that enabled intelligence officers to understand how apparently unrelated incidents, ones such as the assassination of an Austrian Prince at Sarajevo, took place simultaneously throughout the world which developed into a war or a revolution.

Pike’s plan was as simple as it has proved effective. It called for Communism, Nazism, political Zionism, and other international movements be organized and used to foment three global world wars and at least two major revolutions. The First World War was to be fought so as to enable the Illuminati to destroy Czarism in Russia, as vowed by Rothschild after the Czar had torpedoed his scheme at the Congress in Vienna, and to transform Russia into a stronghold of Atheistic Communism. The differences stirred up by agents of the Illuminati between the British and German Empires were to be used to foment this war.

After the war would be ended, Communism was to be built up and used to destroy other governments and weaken religions. World War II, when and if necessary, was to be fomented by using the controversies between Fascists and political Zionists. And here let it be noted that Hitler was financed by Krupp, the Warburgs, the Rothschilds, and other internationalist bankers and that the slaughter of the supposed 600,000 Jews by Hitler didn’t bother the Jewish internationalist bankers at all. That slaughter was necessary in order to create worldwide hatred of the German people and thus bring about war against them.

In short, this World War II was to be fought to destroy Nazism and to increase the power of political Zionism so that the state of Israel could be established in Palestine. During this World War II, international Communism was to be built up until it equaled in strength to that of the united Christendom. When it reached that point, it was to be contained and kept in check until required for the final social cataclysm. As we know now, Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin put that exact policy into effect and Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson continued that same exact policy.

World War III is to be fomented by using the so-called controversies, the agents of the Illuminati operating under whatever new name, are now stirring up between the political Zionists and the leaders of the Muslim world. That war is to be directed in such a manner that all of Islam and political Zionism, Israel, will destroy each other while at the same time, the remaining nations once more divided on this issue will be forced to fight themselves into a state of complete exhaustion; physically, mentally, spiritually, and economically.

Can any thinking person doubt that the intrigue now going on in the Near, Middle and Far East is designed to accomplish that satanic objective? Pike himself foretold all this in a statement he made to Mazzini on August 15, 1871. Pike stated that after World War III is ended, those who will inspire to undisputed world domination will provoke the greatest social cataclysm the world has ever known. Quoting his own words taken from the letter he wrote to Mazzini and which letter is now catalogued in the British Museum in London, England, he said, ‘We shall unleash the Nihilists and the Atheists and we shall provoke a great social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute atheism, the origins of savagery and of most bloody turmoil.

Then everywhere, the people will be forced to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization and the multitudes disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will be from that moment on, without direction and leadership and anxious for an ideal, but without knowledge where to send its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out into public view. A manifestation which will result from a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both conquered and exterminated at the same time.’

When Mazzini died in 1872, Pike made another Italian revolutionary leader named Adrian Lemmy, his successor. Lemmy, in turn, was succeeded by Lenin and Trotsky, then by Stalin. The revolutionary activities of all those men were financed by British, French, German, and American international bankers, all of them dominated by the House of Rothschild. We are supposed to believe that the international bankers of today, like the money changers of Christ’s day, are only the tools or agents of the great conspiracy, but actually they are the masterminds behind all o f it, while the general public has been brainwashed by all the mass communications media into believing that communism is a movement of the so-called workers. The actual fact is that both British and American intelligence officers have authentic documentary evidence that international liberals, operating through their international banking houses, particularly the House of Rothschild, have financed both sides of every war and revolution since 1776.

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Exposing The Deep State: This scheme: “communism,” was to be used to enable the Illuminati to foment future wars and revolutions.

Those who today comprise the conspiracy, the CFR in the United States, direct our governments whom they hold in usury through such methods as the Federal Reserve System in America to fight wars, such as Vietnam, created by the United Nations, so as to further Pike’s Illuminati plans to bring the world to that stage of the conspiracy when Atheistic Communism and the whole of Christianity can be forced into an all out Third World War within each remaining nation as well as on an international scale. The headquarters of the great conspiracy in the late 1700’s was in Frankfurt, Germany where the House of Rothschild had been established by Mayer Amschel who adopted the Rothschild name and linked together other international financiers who had literally sold their souls to the devil. After the Bavarian government’s exposure in 1786, the conspirators moved their headquarters to Switzerland then to London.

Since World War II, after Jacob Schiff, the Rothschild’s boy in America died, the headquarters of the American branch has been in the Harold Pratt Building in New York and the Rockefellers, originally protégés of Schiff, have taken over the manipulation of finances in America for the Illuminati. In the final phases of the conspiracy, the one-world government will consist of the king-dictator, head of the United Nations, the CFR, and a few billionaires, economists, and scientists who have proved their devotion to the great conspiracy. All others are to be integrated into a vast conglomeration of mongrelized humanity, actually slaves.

Let me show you how our federal government and the American people have been sucked into the one-world take over plot of the Illuminati great conspiracy and always bear in mind, that the United Nations was created to become the housing for that one-world, so-called, liberal conspiracy. The real foundations of the plot of the takeover of the United States were laid during the period of our Civil War. Not that Weishaupt and the earlier masterminds had ever overlooked the new world, as I have previously indicated, Weishaupt had his agents planted over here as far back as the Revolutionary War, but George Washington was more than a match for them. It was during the Civil War that the conspirators launched their first concrete efforts. We know that Judah Benjamin, Chief Advisor of Jefferson Davis, was a Rothschild agent.

We also know that there were Rothschild agents planted in Abraham Lincoln’s cabinet who tried to sell him into a financial dealing with the House of Rothschild, but old Abe saw through the scheme and bluntly rejected it thereby incurring the undying enmity of the Rothschilds, exactly as the Russian Czar did when he torpedoed their first League of Nations at the Congress in Vienna. Investigation of the assassination of Lincoln revealed that the assassin, Booth was a member of a secret conspiratorial group. Because there was a number of highly important government officials involved, the name of the group was never revealed and it became a mystery, exactly as the assassination of Jack Kennedy still is a mystery, but I am sure, it will not for long remain a mystery.

Anyway, the ending of the Civil War destroyed temporarily all chances of the House of Rothschild to get a clutch on our money system, such as they had acquired in Britain and other nations in Europe. I say temporarily because the Rothschilds and the masterminds of the conspiracy never quit, so they had to start from scratch, but they lost no time in getting started. Shortly after the Civil War, a young immigrant, who called himself Jacob H. Schiff, arrived in New York. Jacob was a young man with a mission for the House of Rothschild. Jacob was the son of a Rabbi, born in one of Rothschild’s houses in Frankfurt, Germany. I won’t go deeply into his background. The important point is that Rothschild recognized in him not only a potential money wizard, but more important, he also saw the latent Machiavellian qualities in Jacob that could, as it did, make him an invaluable functionary in the great one-world conspiracy.

After a comparatively brief training period in the Rothschild’s London Bank, Jacob left for America with instructions to buy into a banking house which was to be the springboard to acquire control of the money system of the United States. Actually, Jacob came here to carry out four specific assignments. Number one and most important, was to acquire control of America’s money system. Number two, find desirable men, who, for a price, would be willing to serve as stooges for the great conspiracy and promote them into high places in our federal government, our Congress, in the US Supreme Court, and all federal agencies. Number three, create minority group strife throughout the nations, particularly between the whites and blacks. Number four, create a movement to destroy religion in the United States, but Christianity to be the chief target. Earlier, I stated that Jacob Schiff came to America with orders by Rothschild to carry out four specific directives.

The first and most important one was to get control of the United States’ money system. Let’s trace Schiff’s step to accomplish that directive. As a first step, he had to buy into a banking house, but it had to be the kind of a house that he could absolutely control and mold for that primary objective of entrapping our US money system. After carefully scouting around, Jacob bought a partnership in a firm that called itself Kuhn & Loeb. Like Schiff, Kuhn and Loeb were immigrants from German Jewish ghettos. They came to the United States in the mid-1840s. Both started their business careers as itinerant pack peddlers. In the early 1850s, they pooled their interests and set up a merchandising store in Lafayette, Indiana under the firm name of Kuhn & Loeb, servicing the covered wagon settlers on their way west. In the years that followed, they set up similar stores in Cincinnati and St. Louis. Then they added pawn broking to their merchandising pursuits. From that to money lending was a short and quick step.

By the time Schiff arrived on the scene, Kuhn & Loeb was a well-known private banking firm and this is the firm Jacob bought into. Shortly after he became a partner in Kuhn & Loeb, Schiff married Loeb’s daughter, Teresa. Then he bought out Kuhn’s interests and moved the firm to New York and Kuhn & Loeb became Kuhn, Loeb, & Co., international bankers with Jacob Schiff, agent of the Rothschilds, ostensibly the sole owner, and throughout his career, this blend of Judas and Machiavelli, the first hierarch of the Illuminati, a great conspiracy in America, posed as a generous philanthropist and a man of great holiness, the cover-up policy set forth by the Illuminati.

As I have stated, the first great step of the conspiracy was to be the entrapment of our money system. To achieve that objective, Schiff had to get full cooperation of the then big banker elements in America and that was easier said than done. Even in those years, Wall Street was the heart of the American money mart and J.P. Morgan was its dictator. Next in line were the Drexels and the Biddles of Philadelphia. All the other financiers, big and little, danced to the music of those three houses, but particularly to that of Morgan. All of those three were proud, haughty, arrogant potentates.

For the first few years, they viewed the little bewhiskered man from the German ghettos with utter contempt, but Jacob knew how to overcome that. He threw a few Rothschild bones to them. Said bones being distribution in America of desirable European stock and bond issues. Then he discovered that he had a still more potent weapon in his hands in the following. It was in the decades following our Civil War that our industries began to burgeon. We had great railroads to build. The oil, mining, steel, textile industries were bursting out of their swaddling clothes. All of that called for vast financing. Much of that financing had to come from abroad. That meant the House of Rothschild and that was when Schiff came into his own. He played a very crafty game.

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About Myron Fagan

Who’s Who in The Theater has always been the bible of the people in the legitimate theater. It never played favorites, it told no lies, it glorified nobody. It always was an unbiased history of the men and women in the theater. It recorded only those who proved their worth in the one -and only one- testing place of the theater, Broadway. And that Who’s Who records the plays that Myron C. Fagan wrote, directed and produced: Dramas, Comedies, Melodramas, Mysteries, Allegories, and Farces – many of them the most resounding hits of their years.

He arrived on Broadway in 1907, 19 years old, the youngest playwright in the history of the American Theater. In the following years, he wrote and directed plays for many of the greats of those days including Mrs. Leslie Carter, Wilton Lackaye, Fritz Leiber, Alla Nazimova, Jack Barrymore, Douglas Fairbanks, Sr., E.H. Southern, Julia Marlowe, Helen Morgan, etc, . He directed Charles M. Frohman, Belasco, Henry W. Savage, Lee Shubert, Abe Erlanger, and George M. Cohan, among others. In the 5 years between 1925 and 1930 he wrote, personally directed, and produced twelve plays: The White Rose, Thumbs Down, Two Strangers from Nowhere, Mismates, The Fascinating Devil, The Little Spitfire, Jimmy’s Women, The Great Power, Indiscretion, Nancy’s Private Affair, Smart Woman, and Peter Flies High.

During his early years; Mr. Fagan was also Dramatic Editor for The Associated Newspapers, including The New York Globe and various Hearst newspapers. But in 1916 he took a sabbatical from the theater and served as Director of Public Relations for Charles Evens Hughes; the Republican Candidate for the President. He refused a similar post offered him for the Herbert Hoover campaign in 1928. Mr. Fagan’s career thus encompassed the theater, journalism, and national politics. He was a proven expert in all those fields.

In 1930; Mr. Fagan came to Hollywood where he served as Writer-Director with Pathe Pictures, Inc., then owned by Joseph P. Kennedy, father of the late President Jack Kennedy, and also at 20th Century Fox, and other Hollywood Film Studios, but he also continued in the Broadway legitimate field.

In 1945, at the urgent request of John T. Flynn (the famous author of The Roosevelt Myth, While We Slept, and The True Story of Pearl Harbor ), Mr. Fagan attended a meeting in Washington D.C. where he was shown a set of micro-films and recordings of the SECRET meetings at Yalta attended only by Franklin Roosevelt, Alger Hess, Harry Hopkins, Stalin, Molotov, and Vishinsky when they hatched the plot to deliver the Balkans, Eastern Europe and Berlin to Stalin. As a result of that viewing, Mr. Fagan wrote two plays: Red Rainbow (in which he revealed that entire plot) and Thieves Paradise (in which he revealed how those men plotted to create the United Nations to be the “housing” for a so-called Communist, One-World Government).

At the same time; Mr. Fagan launched a one man crusade to unmask the Red Conspiracy in Hollywood which had set about to produce films that would aid that One World Governement plot. Out of that came into being the Cinema Educational Guild. As a result of the work of the CEG headed by Mr. Fagan in 1947 came the congressional hearings at which more than 300 famous stars, writers, and directors from Hollywood, Radio, and TV were unmasked as the chief activists of the Red Conspiracy. That was when the infamous “Hollywood Ten” were sent to prison. It was the most sensational event of the decade.

From that time on, Mr. Fagan has devoted all of his time and efforts to writing monthly News Bulletins for CEG in which he has kept up the fight to alert the American people to the plot to destroy the sovereignty of the United States of America and the ensuing enslavement of the American people in a United Nations’ One World Government.

In his sensational recording [this transcript], he reveals the beginning of the One World enslavement plot that was launched two centuries ago by one Adam Weishaupt, an apostate Catholic Priest who- financed by the House of Rothchild-created what Weishaupt called the Illuminati. Mr. Fagan describes with documentary evidence, how this Illuminati became the instrument of the House of Rothschild to achieve a One World Government and how every war during the past two centuries was fomented by this Illuminati. He describes how one Jacob H. Schiff was sent to the United States by the Rothschilds to further the Illuminati plot and how Schiff plotted to get control of both the Democratic and the Republican Parties. How Schiff seduced our Congress and our Presidents to achieve control of our entire money system and create the Income Tax cancer and how Schiff and his co-conspirators created the Council on Foreign Relations to control our elected officials to gradually drive the U.S. into becoming an enslaved unit of a United Nations, One World Government.

In short, this recording is the most interesting, the most horrifying – and factual – story of the most sensational plot in the history of the World. Everybody who loves our country – who loves God – who would save Christianity (which the Illuminati is dedicated to destroy)- who would save our sons from dying in Korea, in Vietnam, in South African, and now on the battlefields of the Middle East, should hear this recording. There is absolutely no doubt that anyone who does hear this amazing story will join in the fight to save our country and our nation’s youth.

(Myron Fagan’s recording took place sometime in the 1960’s. Please take the time to verify the statements made herein. We don’t expect you to take Mr. Fagan’s word at face value. We suggest that you visit the Law and Depository libraries that are located throughout your state. The telephone numbers and addresses listed herein are most likely out of date as Mr. Fagan is no longer with us.


BitNation: The World’s First Decentralized Borderless Virtual Nation with Susanne Tarkowski Tempelhof

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The world’s first First Decentralized Borderless Virtual Nation offers citizens governance services that they can do on their own, BitNation’s backend is a mesh network making them a part of Blockchain. Founder Susanne Tarkowski Tempelhof explains that this doesn’t mean being a citizen comes in at a price, but rather you create your contract when you enter a nation. You can choose whatever name you want, and just like Reddit, your profile will display your reputation so others can follow you. However, certain precautions are conducted like facial recognition, fingerprint and iris scans among others to make sure that the real world body has an attachment to the virtual person in the nation. Susanne also explains why aside from technical reasons, culture is the one other factor that pulls people in to BitNation.

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BitNation: The World’s First Decentralized Borderless Virtual Nation with Susanne Tarkowski Tempelhof

Our guest is Susanne Tarkowski Tempelhof who lays claim to being the Founder of Bitnation, a platform in cyberspace, which one can offer and accept contracts, launch cryptocurrencies and a host of other activities, all of which are designed for the benefit of the people. This is such an incredible concept.

When somebody is looking at Bitnation, is there a price to get set up as a citizen of Bitnation?

No, there is no price for joining Bitnation as a user or a citizen. However, if you want to set up your own nation, it’s a contract that you create. It becomes a constitution and the contract gets sent automatically to the Ethereum chain where it gets executed. When you send anything to the Ethereum chain, you have to pay minor fees, like whenever you do a Bitcoin or Ethereum transaction. It’s the same principle. You have to pay the transaction fee to launch the contract. Similarly, when you join a nation then you sign the contract saying, “I accept the constitution of this nation.”You also have to pay minor fees, but it’s very little. We’re talking about a couple of cents. It is extremely simple.

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BitNation: There is no price for joining Bitnation as a user or a citizen.

Something that’s not on the ten that hopefully we could get into is the ability to set up your own nation and create your own currency, or would it be the ICO currency that you currently are going to launch? How would that work?

In the wallet on Pangea, the jurisdiction software, we have after Ether integrated there. Obviously Path is going to be in the wallet as well, but we will also be able to fairly quickly accept all ERC20 Token so people can add their own tokens and also create their own tokens for their own nations. In addition to that, our backend is a mesh network, which means that we’re fundamentally blockchain agnostic. Even though we’re currently working with Ethereum, we’re also planning to add in Bitcoin for the Rootstock Protocol. Later on we would like to add Monero and we’re planning to add in elements of DoS and DISC blockchain as well. Our end goal would be that people can use whatever currency they want seamlessly on Pangea. We don’t want our token to be a barrier to entry to the platform.

In the United States, we’ve had a big issue that was a buzz word and that was FISA 702 where our government is spying on people all over the world and they don’t even know it. For people in Bitnation, let’s talk a little bit about the humans that come in with the birth certificate, let’s say. How does the birth certificate work? How do you get to stay anonymous yet you’re a citizen of Bitnation?

I prefer to use the pseudo anonymity rather than anonymity because a large part of Bitnation’s software is the reputation system, which means people or countries, whatever name they want, they still have a profile that people can follow with the reputation, etc. Like on Reddit, you can choose whatever username you want, but you still have a reputation attached to your profile, on bitcoin talk what number are you, etc. We have taken certain actions. First of all, all communication is internally encrypted while using our protocol to encrypt all messages, never fail. We are completely against using biometrics. We will never feature biometrics, meaning things like facial recognition, fingerprints, or iris scans right off these things because we want to make sure that the flesh body can ever be attached to the virtual person.

There’s always a plausible deniability. Let’s say if there was a genocide somewhere, and people are searching out all people with affiliations to Bitcoin or something. We want people to have the ability to have plausible deniability. Those are the most important aspects. The Five Fingers is an encrypted communications platform nowadays like if you get WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, etc. but all of them ask for some information like email, phone number or whatever. We don’t ask for any of that information, none literally. That is also done for a specific reason, to not collect metadata on users that can later on be exploited by an authority.

When you sign up with your phone number, your phone number’s already been tagged to you. Years ago, probably ten years ago here in the United States, there was a big deal about a driver’s license being connected to your cell phone. That way, you’re immediately identified. That’s the thing that a lot of people are saying, “I don’t want to be tracked.” “You must be doing something wrong.” “No, it’s not that. It’s that your authority is doing this for a reason. There’s an end game for all of this,” that’s why Bitnation is interesting and very important. I’m glad to hear that you guys have set that up this way.

Some people might say you can always get a burner phone or you could get an anonymous email, but how easy is it to get a burner phone? There are cameras everywhere where you’re buying the phone. There are plenty of ways you can be identified. The NSA can crack devices by knowing the proximity to other devices, etc. Unless you’re like a high level security specialist, it’s almost impossible to be anonymous if you give out your phone number or email address.

As far as the people that are coming in that set up their own nation, then there is a competition for other nations to say, “Come be a citizen with us in this nation and here are the reasons why.”Tell us some of those reasons of why you would want to be a particular citizen of one particular nation. Could it be no taxes?

Yes. It could be simply more technical reasons like better services for less money. Nations simply provide better government services. It can also be cultural things. If you’re a Baptist or something, you want to be in the Baptist nation. Here you observe those other country rules. There is nothing wrong in a nation catering for a specific cultural, religious, or ethnical community either. Nations can have many different types of appeal. It’s going to start with a lot of what we have seen so far is a lot of communities that have something that they need. For instance, we’re talking about activists in Venezuela, Catalonia, the Rohingyas and people like that because they actively need a nation because the place where they live doesn’t provide an option that they are satisfied with.

It’s going to take off like that. Once we got a foot hold and more and more people are starting to use it in the next five or ten years, then people simply connect choose. Not so much out of necessity because there’s no other option or because of self-control or belonging, but more because this is simply a better nation with better prices and better services. This could be much pragmatic and ideological over time. In the same way like early Bitcoin adopters were extremely ideological or very particularly cold, and they loved it for technology or the ideology. Now we’re seeing more adoption in markets where people just like it because it’s cheaper and faster transactions and better anonymity. They like it for the practical reasons.

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BitNation: We’re seeing more adoption in markets where people just like it because it’s cheaper and faster transactions and better anonymity.

Currently with the expenses and how long it takes to get things done, you buy it and then a week later your account’s going to settle, it’s not going to work well. I know that they’re going through some kinks, but this blockchain system is not going away. It’s only going to get stronger. We’re seeing a lot of the Federal Reserve, which is a criminal organization that was set up in 1913, starting to have some cracks in their facade currently. The people do need to get someplace where they can have some type of not only communication but the ability to buy and sell things. If something happens with the Federal Reserve or they clamp down like a Nazi Germany thing, then it’s over. If you have another platform and a lot of cryptocurrency, for guys that are not real technical, it’s going to take some time for people to learn how this works, what you can use this on, and how you can use it. That’s why it’s so important. The biggest question for the libertarian movement is, “I would want to be left alone from this government,” and that’s what Bitnation is offering here.

When you say that you’re an anarchist, everyone is like, “Who’s going to build the roads?” What Bitnation is doing is saying, “Here it is. Here you have your government services.” They will be cheaper and more effective. Just do it yourself. It’s possible. We have built the technology for it. I do think people want government services. I do want security, I want corps and I want all of those things. I just don’t want it to be forced upon me by one controlling entity. I want to be able to choose on a free market which service provider I want.

As far as people that are stateless, let’s talk about that. In the United States, there’s a deal for the month of March. It’s called Military Tribunal Month. The reason that this is important and interesting is that there are a lot of people in the military that don’t necessarily know this, and that is if they’re court-marshaled, they could be stateless. When they sign up for military services, if they do something wrong, they could revoke their citizenship and throw them out of the United States. You do have a stateless person.

I didn’t know that.

There are a lot of military guys that don’t know that, but they’re getting ready to find out. In your particular nation, you would have people that are from Great Britain, Canada, or from other states that want to give up their citizenship and say, “I don’t want to participate in this any longer. I’ll come over to Bitnation and start my own nation.” Here’s something else that you’ll find interesting. In 1933 in the United States, they set up a thing that’s called In This State. In This State is not the organic state of Texas or the organic state of Oklahoma or the organic state of New York. It’s Ethereum. It doesn’t exist. They hovered it right over the state. Now, whenever they want to violate the constitution, everything is done in this state. It’s a way that they have tricked the American people since 1933. It’s now starting to get exposed. Our generation has never been in an organic state. Coming into Bitnation should be simple once you understand what America’s administration has already done to them.

It’s the same thing in Europe. If you take France as a country, for instance, before the Vespasian agreement, there were lots of different languages, cultures, etc. Switzerland still speaks three different languages, Italian, French, and German. There’s no such thing as a unified ethnicity, language, or culture in any European country.

That’s the same way all over. That’s why Bitnation could be so important. You guys are going to do an ICO.I have a company that I set up called Trump Capital. In America, Trump is either absolutely hated 1,000% or he’s absolutely loved 1,000%. That word, Trump Capital, gets people’s attention. Down at the bottom on my disclosure, it says that we are not a part of the fraudulent Federal Reserve. It goes through all these comical type disclosures. The reason I set this up before was there’s a lot of people that have Bitcoins and they can’t spend them. They have millions of dollars of Bitcoin but they can’t spend them because the market isn’t liquid enough yet to be able to sell off $5 million worth of Bitcoin.

What they could do is they could loan them. One of the other businesses we have is in the oil and gas industry. Oil and gas in the United States is getting ready to come back very strong. There are a lot of small operators that need a $1 million, $5 million, or $10 million to buy equipment and to do some other things. What I’m doing is I’m setting up the cryptocurrency lending platform at some point in time. To be able to go out to these guys and say, “That’s fine, we’ll loan you money,” and then call companies like John Deere and some of the big heavy equipment companies and say, “We’d like to buy your machine but we’re going to pay in cryptocurrency. You may want to hold some of the cryptocurrency, you may want to sell it, but what we’re trying to do is make a market in it to where it’s liquid enough, to where people can start moving around in it.”

There are a couple of lending platform like ETHLend and Zouk. There’s a couple more coming, but I haven’t seen any actual product, neither have anyone. They draw some difficult design flaws in them as well. For instance, Zouk forces people to use their token, which sounds good in principle but actually it’s a barrier to entry because then people will be like, “Why should I come back to Ether or whatever your token is just so that your token can caught in value?”People do it to raise money, but for market adoption it’s a barrier to entry, right?

This would have to be outside of the Federal Reserve system. Without being too militant about this, we understand that the Federal Reserve is an absolute criminal organization. They’re getting ready to get kicked out of the United States and there’s some cool stuff that’s going on behind the scenes. There is this major stuff going to happen this month. There’s some real major stuff. This military tribunals that’s getting ready to happen, there are going to be massive people that are in deep state that are going to get arrested through military kicking their doors in the middle of the night. Governors, there is a huge thing getting ready to happen in the United States.

Here’s what’s happening is that trump has been a plant. When I say plant, for 50 years, Trump has grown up and has known about the criminal Federal Reserve. He knows about the IRS. He knows about all the junk that they’ve been torturing people and doing. When John F. Kennedy wanted to change the monetary system, they shot him in the head here in Dallas. That was 55 years ago. He didn’t set up his workforce, so to speak. Trump has been laying the groundwork to set up his workforce and getting the military ready. They’re going to go in and start arresting very high profile people. This is very dangerous here in the United States right now because they could jump off into a massive civil war at any moment. There are a lot of people in America that are asleep and don’t realize how tough the situation could get.

You can see these with all the protests going on everywhere, from Black Lives Matter to Charlotte. People are tensed. People are boiling.

Yes, and he is aware of that. You’re going to see the Federal Reserve, Rothschild, these oligarchs that have controlled the world, Trump issued an executive order and he’s going after them. He’s going to get their money because they’ve been doing a lot of stuff. Their top guy, Eric Schmidt, at Google has been funding dark-type stuff.

Silicon Valley and DC are so close.

Hollywood is close to Washington as well. You’re going to see some amazing stuff this year. If you happened to glance at major headlines, you’re going to see some interesting things happen. We’re getting ready from the standpoint of there’s going to be this disturbance, and whenever there’s a disturbance, there’s opportunity. You guys launching is going to be awesome. Bitcoin and cryptocurrency brought up the discussion of what money is. That’s the best part about what cryptocurrency has done. People in America don’t realize that the Federal Reserve has stolen your labor. They’ve given you a note. It’s not backed up by anything. There’s no gold. They stole everything.

That’s why I make money on my money. When I hold bitcoin because there’s a deflation in our currency, I sit on it and it grows. There might be dips or whatever, but I can’t understand people who get money in Fiat currencies because they’re just losing money. I don’t think in ten years anyone will accept an inflation in our currency anymore. People will require deflation over currencies because why would you have money that loses money than gain money? It’s complete madness.

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BitNation: The reason that they are non-tradable is because we don’t want people to be able to buy, sell or gain reputation through popularity or attention.

When we show people in the law that under Title 12 Section 411, you’re not even supposed to have a Federal Reserve note on your possession. It’s illegal for you to even have it. American people have no clue that that’s out there. They also don’t have a clue that it’s a promise to pay but they never tell you when they’re going to pay you. You’re working and you’ve ruined your life for this thing called money and it’s not even real. This currency, this thing is important. That’s why I think Bitnation would be important for people to realize that you’re already stateless. You’re an enemy in America. We outside of the ten-mile square of Washington, DC are considered enemies of the state. A lot of Americans don’t realize that. They don’t understand that you’re an enemy of the state until proven otherwise.

I remember there was a small wars journal which is an important military think tank that they put out a couple of years ago. They put out a report about the greatest future effects to America were Tea Party activists. It’s a big madness that called off the population like, “What are you talking about?” The problem formulation in this story was how will our military rank when they have to shoot their own people? This is seriously a highly considered think tank. It’s crazy.

There’s some great stuff that’s getting ready to go on. You guys are launching at the perfect time. How would people sign up for Bitnation?

Until now we’ve had our website where people sign up, but we’re moving all of our website’s functions to our blockchain jurisdiction, which is called Pangea. It’s on the App Store right now, on Android and iOS App store. It will be at the sub-client scene. This version is completely decentralized. You’ll be able to immediately set up your own nation, join and leave nations. You have your wallet, your profile. You’ll be able to enter into peer to peer agreements in free and simple chat conversation and resolve dispute through our peer to peer market for arbitration.

As far as a worldwide citizen type ID, is there anything to that effect or how would that work?

The very first version we made was based on Chris Ellis from World Crypto Network’s protocol. It was basically like a local key signing party where people signed off on the person being the person that they came to be and broadcasting the latest block number. We took that a step farther when there was a refugee crisis in Europe in 2015. We created an emergency refugee ID because a lot of them simply didn’t have documents and needed something to prove your identity. We’ll try to do it online instead of the tube to increase efficiency, where basically family members sign off on each other being family members, like a peer to peer approval. People loved the idea so then we renamed it and we added some extra functionalities and stuff. All those functions operate on the blockchain that we’re hosting on our website. We are progressively closing down everything on our website to move it to the Pangea platform. When you enter on Pangea, you can set up your own profile. Right now it has very limited usage. It’s just a name, a city and profile picture type thing. We’re enabling the reputation system. It means that if you enter into an agreement or successfully complete an agreement or resolved a dispute attached to an agreement that you make with someone, you get non-tradable reputation tokens.

The reason that they are non-tradable is because we don’t want people to be able to buy, sell or gain reputation through popularity or attention. It’s governed by a bottle that simply judge you on completely meritocratic basis, your ability to complete contracts you have voluntarily entered into. When you accumulate enough non-tradable reputation tokens, you get rewarded with a little bit of PAT, our token. There’s a financial incentive for good behavior beyond simply building a reputation. That is the primary purpose of your ID. It’s to basically build up a person that people want to trade with, a person that people want to get into business with, whether the business is getting married or making a trade agreement. It doesn’t matter. Incentive for people that, if disputes arise, resolve those disputes. You can create nations and if you’re successful in creating a nation, meaning that you provide government services that your citizens appreciate and think it’s good value for money, then you can also get non-tradable reputation for that.

That’s another sub token. That’s some form of collective. The first one is called proof of agreement which also gets rewarded with PAT overtime. When you create contract, review a contract, audit a contract, then you also get rewarded with another sub token called proof of making for being a good contract rater or reviewer. All of this makes up for the reputation system which is attached to your profile but it’s still anonymous like we discuss before. It takes time and it’s hard to build up a reputation but if you have to because, let’s say, you are gay in Somalia, and suddenly that is punishable by death and you have to recreate a new identity or something like that, you can do it. It’s just hard work. The fact that it’s hard work is a disincentive for people to create fifteen profiles, but it should be possible.

Back in the 1900s, and they still do it today, it’s much harder to do. They would have the family Bible. When somebody was born, they would write down their name in the family Bible. There was a register of their particular name. Once the Federal Reserve came in 1913 they said, “Here’s what we’re going to do. We’ll issue birth certificates.” They started this birth certificate nonsense right around ’33.They would take that information and said, “Here’s a baby. They’ll pay X amount of tax over their lifetime.”That’s where this birth certificate, driver’s license all got reconnected together. What you’re saying with Bitnation is that people can verify who they say they are by their family node, for lack of a better word, and then they can get their citizenship or their ID inside Bitnation. Is that correct?

No. That was the case with refugee IDs specifically because the problem for a lot refugees in Europe at the time and still now was that according to European laws, if you have close family like parents, children, or siblings in another nation, let’s say UK or Poland or whatever it might be, then there’s a policy that close family should be reunited when possible. We didn’t trust specific reason. The reason was to be able to have people who are missing their close family in another country to be able to rejoin them. That doesn’t reapply to the Bitnation citizenship on Pangea. On Pangea there isn’t any peer approval because the approval is loosely debunked. Like you said about Trump, Trump is either loved or hated. Those are not the most accurate feelings on either side. We don’t want human judgment to judge other humans. AI judges humans and humans judge technology. We have a man-machine balance.

How would somebody go about purchasing the ICO that’s coming out?

The only place to go is our website, the token website, called It’s extremely important that people go to that specific website to verify the token address. There a lot of phishing schemes out there that tries to promote wrong wallet address. You always have to double check the wallet address on our website. Once you did, we’re working on a shape-shift integration, you will be able to partially sit with any cryptocurrency that is on shape shift, which is most often. When you do, you have to use a wallet that is optimized for ERC20 Tokens. I strongly recommend using My Ether Wallet. When you use My Ether Wallet, you also have to be careful with security. When you open up your My Ether Wallet, they ask if you want to store the JSON file on your computer, never do that. Either use a hardware to store your wallet saver like TREZOR or Nano Ledger, or write it down on a piece of paper. Store it offline somewhere. Never store it on your computer because then it’s easy to hack you, and you don’t want that. Take care of basic security. It’s not complicated but it takes a few minutes to think about. You can do it and it’s going to be fast and easy. We don’t know how many people are going to purchase in the first day, but we expect quite a lot because we’re talking with a lot of investors with very high interest. I would advise you to try to invest as early as possible to make sure you get the tokens at their sale price. We think it’s significant in our world and what it will be. Once ICO over and it hits exchanges and so on.

We want to have people ask questions out there on the community because once we get this put together, we’d like to do another interview with you. We’ll have some questions from the community that will ask these questions. I’m excited about Bitnation and what you guys are doing because it is a needed service.

We have a theme of 42 because the number of tokens is 42 billion, the white paper is 42 pages. It’s from The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy. What is the question of life?

Thank you so much for doing the interview. I greatly appreciate it.

Me too. It was fun.

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About Susanne Tarkowski Tempelhof

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Governance 2.0: Borderless > Decentralized > Voluntary

Bitnation is the world’s first Decentralized Borderless Virtual Nation (DBVN) — a Blockchain Jurisdiction.

Bitnation is designed to disrupt the nation-state oligopoly by offering more convenient, secure and cost-efficient Do-It-Yourself Governance services including security and dispute resolution.

Blockchain Technology and Cryptocurrency In Media with Samit Singh

JFS 9 | Blockchain Technology and Cryptocurrency

Samit Singh is one of the co-founders and CEO of DNN, or Decentralized News Network, a news platform which combines news creation with decentralized networks to deliver factual content being approved by the community before it gets published. One of the main aims of DNN is to eliminate fake and biased news using blockchain technology and cryptocurrency. Samit believes we’re all living in this giant eco-chamber and reading things that are confirming our own biases. The difference as far as the blockchain is concerned is the token aspect. With crypto-economics, they’re trying to get writers and journalists to act in a way that they want them to act, which is acting for the good of the network. By having something that you could lose, something that has actual monetary value, you’re psychologically conditioned to act for the good of the network and adhere to the editorial guidelines as a reviewer and properly review the article before it gets published.

We’re in a fight for the very heart of America. We’re being attacked. We’re being blocked by the globalists, the social media ghettos and fake news because here is where truth is revealed. In this episode, our guest is Samit Singh who is an experienced web and mobile designer product developer who co-founded a messaging app startup called MiniChat, Incorporated along with his partner, Dondrey. This programming work has what eventually led to his love of Blockchain technology and cryptocurrencies.

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Blockchain Technology and Cryptocurrency In Media with Samit Singh

Samit, tell us about your role at

I’m one of the Co-Founders of DNN along with my partner, Dondrey. I run DNN as the CEO and he runs it as CTO. What I do on a day-to-day basis is I come from a design background, so I handle more of the product and design aspect. Everything we’ve done with the alpha was designed by me early on. We helped conceptualize it together. From there, my partner was the one who built it with me and we worked hand-in-hand, roles overlapped but predominantly, I handled most of the design aspects. When it comes to the overall vision, we helped define that overall as well as day-to-day outreach with journalist people, meeting discrete people. What I like to do in DNN is help dictate the pace of what we do and outline more of the long-term goals of what we want to achieve and what we’re doing.

You also have a fairly large consulting group and staff. Can you address those?

As far as the core team is concerned, my co-Founder and I, as well as three developers who are in Eastern Europe, specifically Serbia, are very technical. We handle the day-to-day coding and design of the actual product and conceptualizing it from start to finish. We do work with two other larger entities. One is Vanbex. They are the end-to-end consultancy firm who are backing us. We’ve been working with them for a year and two months now. Vanbex was a very early mover in the Blockchain space as a whole. They were the ones who helped get Ethereum on the exchanges very early on. They worked with a lot of other clients like Storj, FirstBlood, Tendermint, and a lot of other prominent players in the industry as a whole. They handle a lot for us including day-to-day advising, helping us in terms of structuring our whole token model. We work with them very closely in terms of setting up everything we’ve set up for our public sale, pre-sale included as well. They handle a lot of day-to-day activities for us especially our content creation.

Tell us a little bit about your pre-sale.

We’re in the midst of our pre-sale. The way it’s going is we’re using this pre-sale to build up steam for the public sale. What we’ve been targeting is higher-end institution investors for the pre-sale, whereas the public sale will be more opened up for anyone to essentially come in and contribute.

As far as what your goal is for your pre-sale, where are you trying to stay?

A stretch goal for the pre-sale would be around 10,000 Ether or so. We tend to mix what we’re raising also with the public sale. When we look at it as a whole, our stretch goal for the entire DNN crowd sale as a whole pre-sale and public sale included is 30,000 Ether. That’s the overall hard cap.

Everything as far as your monetary denomination is going to be in Ethereum?


How about people that have dollars or that have different currencies in different parts of the country? They’re going to have to buy Ethereum first or Bitcoin and then convert it back?

We are denominating in Ethereum but people can still contribute BTC as long as it’s the equivalent of a certain amount of Ether. Our minimum contribution requirement for the pre-sale is 5 Ether, so if you are contributing BTC, as long as it’s the equivalent of 5 Ether, then you’re good. You can certainly contribute in BTC and we can still hold what we get contributed to us in BTC or Ether. We’re denominating the overall amount in Ether. In terms of Fiat, we’re not accepting straight Fiat but people can certainly purchase BTC, Ether or any crypto for that matter regardless of whatever it is and still contribute crypto that way. We have gotten interesting offers like people wanting to mix and match certain cryptos, whether it’s ERC20 Token. That’s fine with us too as long as the equivalent entry amount of the Ether.

With the advent of fake news and everything that’s going on, DNN would be as hot as could be as far as people wanting to get in this. How would they go about doing that? Can you give us your website? Is it the where people could sign up for this?

JFS 9 | Blockchain Technology and Cryptocurrency
Blockchain Technology and Cryptocurrency: Publishers instantly put out whatever they put out and we have to take their word for it that what we’re reading is indeed factual and authentic. is the website. When you first go on, you’ll see a button that says “Try DNN.” That’s the link to our alpha. The alpha is already on the COBIN Testnet. It’s using simulated DNN tokens and COBIN Ether. It’s been interesting to develop. We’ve noticed when we first deployed it in the Testnet, a lot of the journalists we were talking to very early on don’t have a deep understanding of the Blockchain space. They know of it. One of the most interesting hurdles for DNN was to bring that awareness of the technicalities of Blockchain to layman. What we did was we had a Blockchain specific version of the alpha in which you need a simulated DNN tokens to use but we also have a non-Blockchain version, which is a simplified web app for anyone to use to understand what the product is without having to be acquainted with the token aspect.

We have gotten some intel a few years ago. We had set up a channel called What we want to handle in another aspect that would not be in the Joseph Farley Show but it would be a different aspect would be the Nuremberg-type trials that are coming to America and to Washington DC. How would we get on the Blockchain or on your network and then be able to record? Would it be very similar to YouTube that we record and then upload?

Yes. YouTube is a great example to mirror it against. The difference with Blockchain is the token aspect, so this is where it gets fascinating, the whole crypto-economic aspect. Ideally, you could simply record something and submit it to the network and have it published, but that’s where the fake news aspect comes in. There needs to be a process in between of the content being approved by the network before it gets published. One of the biggest issues right now in the news is there is no transparency. Publishers instantly put out whatever they put out and we have to take their word for it that what we’re reading is indeed factual and authentic. The fact is a lot of it isn’t. You always have biased spins on a lot of the content you’re reading.

How is that going to affect the criminal element that’s in the government, mainly CIA, from getting misinformation out and trying to upload it and create it as real news? One of the ways people in the past have tried to determine if it’s real news or not is how many people are saying the same story, not knowing that everybody’s scripted.

We’re all living in this giant eco-chamber and we’re reading things that are confirming our own biases. The difference as far as the Blockchain is concerned is the token aspect. With crypto-economics, we’re trying to get people to act in a way that we want them to act. In other words, acting for the good of the network. Let’s say you’re a writer and you have malicious intentions. You want to submit an article that’s very blatantly false. As a writer, you would have to pay a writer’s fee to the reviewers of the platform to approve your article for authenticity. Those reviewers would receive your article and review it based on DNN’s editorial guidelines. Each reviewer has to put in a stake of tokens, which serves as a security deposit. If they don’t adhere to the guidelines and we noticed it after the article is published, you lose the tokens that you had put in. By having something that you could lose, something that has actual monetary value, you’re psychologically conditioned to act for the good of the network and adhere to the editorial guidelines as a reviewer and properly review the article before it gets published.

How does DNN look at the situation, the guys that are reviewing the articles? Let’s say Trump does something and there is one or two guys that are close to the story; great example. Nobody knows who he is. We don’t know if it’s right, real, not real. Some of the stuff that he’s put out has been factual that’s starting to turn out, so it’s given him a little bit of credibility, which could be another psyopHow do your writers know? What keeps your writers from acting like YouTube? You have hit this timing perfectly because there are so many guys that their channels got turned off and they’re not coming back. They’re going to have to re-upload under a different channel, but some of them had been turned on. What do you do about rogue employees or maybe that aren’t going to fair out the story?

At a certain point, we will have people with malicious intentions coming out of the network just to see if they could stretch the boundaries, and that includes both the reviewers and the writers. The review process is rooted in Game TV. There’s a concept we call the shelling point. That’s the center point that gets people to act a certain way. In our case, the shelling point are the editorial guidelines. Writers and reviewers alike will have to study those guidelines and know exactly the type of content that they have to put out in DNN that adheres to the network as a whole. Our guidelines mainly deal with sources. When we were conceptualizing this, we were thinking getting into investigative journalism, but we did talk to a lot of investigative journalists about it early on and one of the biggest issues was the genesis of false content is the lack of sources, especially when you work on fake news.

They always state it with people close to the story, but they never name who these people are and they give the illusion. Once you go back and take a step back and read that article, “This guy’s made this whole story up,” and the government is known for being the guys that create the problem and then they come in with the solution. They’re always the heroes. It’s like, “That’s amazing.”

The solutions, coincidentally, are always in line with their own agenda. We did want to get into that early on but the more we looked at it, we’re like, “A lot of this stuff comes from anonymous sources. We can’t reliably trace that back to the source.” These sources are anonymous for a good reason sometimes because they need to be protected. At the same time, we decided maybe we’ll think about it down the line of getting into investigative to see if there are ways to trace sources back reliably. For now, we want to be source-centric. We refer to what we’re doing more as like evidence-based journalism. There has to be a credible or reliable source backing everything that you say that’s presented as a fact in the article that you’re writing. You can’t twist the sources either. I notice in a lot of articles, especially from mainstream conglomerates, sources are twisted out of perspective.

Sources can also be used as a weapon to tilt something towards your own bias. When you’re attributing something to a source, you do have to attribute it to that writer’s specific view point rather than your own. That’s another thing that’s a big point of our editorial guidelines. You have to stay true to the sources that you cite in addition to citing sources that are reliable. In terms of what makes the source reliable, this is an interesting point that we’re thinking of leaving to the community. As founders, we could dictate what makes a source reliable, but that’s no different than centralized authority. That’s something we want to leave with the community over time and have a backing system for ranking sources and see what sources are more reliable than others on the network, and using that to determine what makes a source credible and what makes a source less reliable.

A lot of the things that we will do in research work with the 1913 Federal Reserve Act, going back and reading some of the senators’ comments that in 1917, they started to warn that, “This thing got implemented.” The Federal Reserve got created five years. Here’s their plan, here’s what they’re trying to do. Those are pretty credible. Granted, we weren’t there in 1913, but you got to take some of the stuff that you get out of congressional records as being factual. Here’s something else that’s very interesting that I didn’t know about until I started to study this and began to teach this. It’s that The House and the Senate could pass something, then it goes into West Publication. West publication can change it. Everybody thinks that that’s the law and that is not the law.

This private group has altered what Congress passed. The public would never believe that somebody could be that diabolical to change something out. I had interviewed Bit nation. They’ve set up an Ethereum-type of platform and everybody thinks, “That’s awesome, that’s great,” but here’s what happened. In 1933, all the states already set that up. Everything they’ve done that violates the Bill of Rights or violates the constitution is done in this state.“In this state” doesn’t exist. It’s really difficult to be able to distinguish between what’s real and what’s not real. You have to be able to dig down in order to find those sources. Somebody could be honest and factual and insincere but be sincerely wrong. How will that play your matrix?

The way news is distributed right now, our perception of reality is being blatantly distorted. We could consume things that are influencing you to think a certain way and they’re conditioning you to feel a certain way about an issue. We’re not thinking on our own and we’re not thinking freely. What the Blockchain could do is introduce a level of transparency not only to get us more educated about a topic but to open up an open dialogue going back and forth about the issues that matter to us most. If an article gets published in the chain, it’s immutable. It can’t be removed ever. It can’t be taken down or tampered by any government.

That’s going to be awesome because they will float these faces, these fake stories for twelve hours, then pull the article down.

As a reader, you can see all of that in the transaction history on the chain. What we want to do in DNN is design that in a way that’s so simple that we just don’t have to know what’s going on in the Blockchain, we don’t have to know what’s going behind the scenes. As a reader, I could look at the history of the Blockchain and a simple article revision history, like a Google Doc, and see exactly what was taken down and why, what was changed and why. It has a complete feedback from the reviewers and I could fully see that in a transparent manner. That’s hugely powerful.

In law or in the court rooms, one thing that a jury can never do is to un-hear something. They know that, and the attorneys know that, so they can throw something out there and then pull it back, but the jury’s already heard it. They’ve been tainted at that moment. That’s the way our society has been not even knowing that that’s what’s happened to them.

We get to own our own perception of reality and how we feel about the topics that are most important to us and without being led astray.

Let’s say that I want to set up a network. How would that be priced as far as if I wanted to have a network that is either every day or that’s 24 hours a day that’s reporting on stuff in Washington and trying to find out what the real story is and what’s really going on?

That’s something that we’re still working out in terms of actual numbers, but we do have a process in place of how it works. One of the more fascinating things that we’re conceptualizing, and detailing is publisher nodes. You could host your own node on the network and your node can distribute any type of news you want it to distribute. When you look at the architecture of Blockhain, it works a lot like BitTorrent. It’s like peer-to-peer. Anyone can host these nodes and anyone else can access your nodes and access the news that you’re putting out on your node. By hosting a node, you’re also going to be incentivized and you earn DNN tokens residually by hosting because you’re contributing more computing power to the network.

What’s interesting about this also is the censorship aspect. We’ve got a lot of good feedback from Chinese users who can’t even access “news” in China because the government monitors everything there. We had a WeChat group that we were running and getting a lot of these feedbacks. Once China banned crypto, we had to shut down our group because the government was looking at private messages in that group. Let’s say you’re a Chinese user and you’re accessing a node in China, which is hosted by a user who’s putting out their own network on DNN. Let’s say the government proceeded to shut down that node. You can still hop on another node in another region and still access DNN the way a normal user would.

Let’s say that you have something set up in Hong Kong and you come into China with your node. It’s not going to take them long to figure out what you’ve done and try to shut that down. When they shut that down, you can quickly transfer everything to your Hong Kong node.

Everything would already be transferred. This is how the Blockchain works as a whole. You have all these disparate nodes hosted globally. All the information and data are replicated across all of those nodes and fully up to date. There is no single point of failure if the government does shut down a single node. It does not matter. There are always other nodes to hop on. That’s why the Blockchain is so immune to censorship. We haven’t seen any instance of censorship on the Blockchain because that would require every government around the world to collectively agree to shut down every single operating node and there are so many. Governments in their own regions can’t even agree on local things.

You have somebody like Apple, but they’ve transferred all their stuff over to China now and they did that from a tax standpoint. All of a sudden, our stuff got compromised. When they would have an event decades ago, and even coming forward, they could shut down the cell phones so nobody could record that event. Now, somebody could record an event, upload it to the Blockchain, it’s there, and they can’t take it down.

JFS 9 | Blockchain Technology and Cryptocurrency
Blockchain Technology and Cryptocurrency: We’ll have to abstract a lot of the functionality for the average user to understand and make sense of.

If they do take in down, it doesn’t matter. You have to think, “Where are you taking it down from?” There’s no central server. There’s no central point of access where you can take a piece of content down and it’s down everywhere. It’s not the case of the Blockchain. It’s still up everywhere else and it’s forever there for anyone else to view. You can’t erase history.

In one of our other businesses that we have is the property and casualty insurance business, specifically with trucking transportation. One of the things that is a large deal right now is video tape of what’s happened in either an accident or a traffic citation. Would people be able to connect to your network to where nobody could take it down? They couldn’t edit the tape. They couldn’t pull it out. If an officer does something illegal or whatever, it’s there.

It comes down to design. We’ll have to abstract a lot of the functionality for the average user to understand and make sense of. We don’t want it to be like you have to have to install separate web client to access the chain and look at all the data. We want to present it very cleanly and succinctly just on DNN itself. When it comes to article revision, history and so on, you can see it very clearly without even having to know that it’s on the Blockchain, but it is. That’s where you’re retrieving that info from. Once something is there, even we can’t take anything down.

Let’s say that we put a node in Hong Kong, but we’re recording traffic issues in America. An American court says, “We want that video. We want that taken down.”

We could take something down as far as the front end is concerned. We can take something from public viewing if need be, but the evidence of it still remains forever on the chain. This is something we’ve talked about with our lawyers, too. The company is DNN itself. Dondrey and I are both US Citizens and we both work in the US, but the company is built as an on-shore private entity in Gibraltar. The way it’s going to work is we’ve been adhering to local Gibraltar law. As far as contents in other jurisdictions, we’ve been told that if the need ever arises, we do have to be able to take something down from public viewing, but we can’t take anything down from the Blockchain. That’s a very blurry question in legal terms. No one knows what to do about it. For now, it’s out of our legal oversight. There’s nothing we can do about it and there’s nobody reliable to when it comes to content on the Blockchain because it’s a decentralized entity. The product itself is decentralized. There is no central authority to take something down.

The governments are absolutely hating this because they’ve been committing all the crimes and the wars that have transpired, all the fake news behind the wars, innocent people being murdered. That’s getting ready to change.

Gibraltar is another great example. Their government openly embraced crypto. Gibraltar is so tiny but it’s also one of the leaders in the cryptospace, same as Switzerland. They openly embrace crypto. When you look at other markets, especially the US market, the Chinese market, you have a lot of fear. Their governments are scared because they might be thinking from their perspective, “If we embrace something like this, it’s eventually going to replace us.” It can also be a great governance tool. It’s going to disrupt things to a degree that we have never seen before. The only comparable point is the early days of the internet.

This block chain is not going away and there are a lot of people that don’t understand it. There are a lot of people, even their 30s, that don’t understand how this works and how important this is going to be moving forward. When do you think you would be ready to start having a network? If I took ten different content creators and created a network, how soon could I start uploading them?

We’re running a very basic alpha. It only supports a text-based content, but we want to open up audio and video. That’s a big thing for our beta development. The beta for the product, we want to get that on the Mainnet by Q4 of this year. At the end of 2018, we want to have something on Mainnet that people could actively participate in and test with us. One of the first things we want to test is how quick these uploads work, especially across a distributed architecture, whether a token model is viable and so on.

That could put you in direct competition with YouTube, Google, as well as Apple on their podcasts.

There’s also an opportunity to possibly work together with a lot of these entities. We’ve been exploring another avenue and this could be a potential revenue stream down the line, fact checking as a service. Let’s say you have an entity like The Wall Street Journal. If they have a piece of content that they want to run against a certain system for factual authenticity, we could be that system if our review process works as efficiently as we’re hoping it works. That could be our service provided to these other entities.

Where would your fact checkers be? Would they be domiciled here in the US or in Washington that could actually fact check congressional records or fact check the sources? How do you think that would work out?

As far as regional content is concerned, if it is US-specific content, we’d want US-based fact checkers assigned to that content specifically. Collectively, fact checkers can be anywhere in the world. For more regional and local news, it’s prudent to have local fact checkers assigned to that news.

There was a deal on YouTube and the phrase was, “We don’t have to tell you gas prices are going up.” They’ve had twenty or 30 different news organizations all over the place say that exact same thing, like it was all scripted. It would be very important to make sure that the fact checkers are not part of that inside system.

That’s where the economic aspect comes into play. If you have something that you’re staking a monetary value on the line, being these tokens, and you can lose them if you act out of line or for malicious purposes against the good of the network, you’re going to lose what you put in. Potentially, you could have malicious writers who are pushing dirty news on the platform, but they’re going to lose everything that they put in as their investment. It will get to a point where it will be unfeasible for those participants to keep putting out bad content. They’re buying more tokens thereby increasing the value of the tokens and making it more expensive to collude, attack maliciously, to put out content that does not adhere to the rules.

Let’s say that you get the audio and video lined up. Audio would be super quick to be able to get done. Have you run that economic model as far as your bandwidth and what you would need to charge, what type of revenue and so forth? Have you gotten to that phase yet?

We’re close to the point that we’re almost ready to run basic stress tests. One of the things we want to do is upload as much test content as we possibly can and see what kind of stress that puts in that work in terms of computing power. We’re going to judge how that goes and decide how many tokens need to be charged for this. That will give us a good idea of baseline numbers once we put out the beta. Once the beta hits Mainnet, then you’re using real tokens. It’s not simulated anymore.

Right now, people uploading to YouTube that want to have cat videos that want to upload for free, that’s fine. Somebody that’s in a business of news, you have gone through numbers to say, “This is going to make economical sense for the creator to produce it, upload it, and then add value to it.”

We have gone through the basic numbers and a lot of journalists have asked us, “Can I pay my rent with this token?” It’s real monetary value. You can use it to pay for anything. As far as rent is concerned, we do want this to be a full-time thing down the line. It’s more realistic to assume that it could be a stable thing to do on the side and make income that way. As long as you’re getting out more than what you put in, you’re already profitable. We want to make sure that everything is structured the way that the rewards are collectively higher for everyone. They don’t have to put in too much to get started. That helps reduce the friction.

Unless you’re already a large channel, you may not be able to afford to take a chance to see if this thing works.

One of the things that we want to do is signing like grants of tokens. We want to set aside a portion of the token supply to see the wallets of potential contributor. Anyone who’s interested in getting started with DNN once we hit the Mainnet don’t have to do anything. They don’t have to purchase the tokens or spend their money to do so. We can give them tokens to get started and see where it goes from there.

The cell companies made a real mistake in trying to sell the phone. That’s not where the real money is. The real money is that monthly bill. You have already hit on that, that what you want is that long-term creative content.

Yes, and centers for people to hold the token which will make it more valuable in the long run.

As far as your public sale goes, anybody can buy that?

We are restricting US buyers due to the legal uncertainties in the US as far as the SECs is concerned. We are restricting Chinese buyers as well.

How is that restricted? Is it restricted by the IP address or restricted by questions that are asked on the site?

It’s an IP block. You have to do this geolocation block, which is applied in all of the IPs in that region. We’re using a company called IdentityMind to handle our KYC process. There are ways around that. We’ve seen instances of people hopping onto different IPs and using VPNs. There’s nothing you can do about that. From a legal standpoint, you have to show your intent to block certain regions by issuing those geolocation bands.

I’m looking forward to getting back with you to see how things are going as well as when you start in the audio and video segment because that is going to be very important. Can you tell us a little bit about what you see that’s coming up or what’s out there ahead of us?

We’re in the process of continuing to add to our team. We had a very technical team and we want to bring in people who are more experienced in journalism and media. We’re bringing on a well-balanced number of reporters an, people who are media industry veterans with publishing and journalism. We started working with one of our advisers who used to be a VP of digital publishing in National Geographic. He has a lot of different experience in terms of scaling a project and helping decide the best target markets for publishers to approach first. We have a lot of people involved with the Blockchain and cryptospace. What we’re targeting now, especially during our sales phase, are people who have heavy pedigree in the media industry, in journalism, which will not only lend us a bigger degree of legitimacy, but also help us understand how we can better serve the platform for journalists and writers, and giving them the tools that they need to properly participate.

Is there going to be anything outside of what we stereotypically think of media as far as the video, audio, and the writing? Are you going to look at any other type areas as far as banking or lending or anything to that effect? Any other segments?

We’ve thought about it and one of the most fascinating segments is AI. A lot of people are using AI and leveraging it to better judge the factualness and accuracy of the content being out. That’s something we haven’t touched upon too much with DNN, but it’s something we are looking at and want to get more deeply and see how we can combine AI with our existing process and make it more efficient down the line.

As far as going through and doing the fact check?

JFS 9 | Blockchain Technology and Cryptocurrency
Blockchain Technology and Cryptocurrency: Humans alone can’t solve everything, but AI alone can’t solve everything either.

Yes, and working in conjunction with human reviewers. Humans alone can’t solve everything, but AI alone can’t solve everything either. You could have AI that’s biased. It depends on the inputs that you feed the system. If you have both of these things work in conjunction, it could be very powerful. That’s something we’re actively exploring. VR is also a big one. Everyone talks about virtual reality being one of the hottest things in the space right now. If that technology matures in a few years to a higher level than it is now, we could maybe do VR-wide broadcasts. It depends on how that industry grows and how the technology around it grows.

That technology, like the electric car, you would think that with what Elon is doing out there that those things would sell like hotcakes. You have this battery and this main issue that they can’t get enough battery or cheap enough or whatever the case is, that may be the same thing about VR. It’s probably wise for you to make sure that goes ahead and develops. What else do you see that’s coming up out there?

Beyond that, it’s going down to the live product. Once we finish the beta phase on Mainnet, we want to have something more polished and finished that can be very self-sustainable with tokens going in and coming out as rewards. People are running the network by themselves where we can take a step back and view everything. That’s the end game of what we’re trying to do. We’re trying to build something that’s truly owned by its participants. It becomes cyclical process of people contributing to it, being rewarded, contributing more, and self-sustainable network that’s living on the growth and engagement of the people using it. After the beta phase, we want to have a solidified token model. We want to be able to prove that it works and makes sense for all parties involved during that phase so we can go ahead and have something more polished and finished that becomes the production ready of DNN.

Getting back to the YouTube examples, since everybody can immediately think about that, a content creator would pay X amount to publish in YouTube and then they would be able to receive X amount. Have you thought about the viewers, their fact checking and their content?

We don’t want a one-time review process. Initially, we planned it out, so once the reviewers review something and gets published, then it’s done, but reviewing is never done. You can look at Wikipedia and the content are always evolving. Articles are always changing as new information comes in. Readers need to play an active part, viewers as well, in looking at the content for actual accuracy. If they see something that doesn’t sound right to them or doesn’t make sense, they can always get something send back for a secondary review and be rewarded for it if something does change.

I’m looking forward to you getting this thing up and up and running.

It’s been fun and a lot of hard work. It’s been over a year conceptualizing and building things out.

Thanks so much. It’s very exciting what you are doing.

Thank you for having us.

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About Samit Singh


JFS 9 | Blockchain Technology and Cryptocurrency

Samit Singh is one of the co-founders and CEO of DNN, or Decentralized News Network, a news platform which combines news creation with decentralized networks to deliver factual content being approved by the community before it gets published. One of the main aims of DNN is to eliminate fake and biased news using blockchain technology and cryptocurrency. Samit believes we’re all living in this giant eco-chamber and reading things that are confirming our own biases. The difference as far as the blockchain is concerned is the token aspect. With crypto-economics, they’re trying to get writers and journalists to act in a way that they want them to act, which is acting for the good of the network. By having something that you could lose, something that has actual monetary value, you’re psychologically conditioned to act for the good of the network and adhere to the editorial guidelines as a reviewer and properly review the article before it gets published.


Defining Bitcoin As The Digital Gold Of The Global Economy with Adam Draper

JFS 8 | Defining Bitcoin

What is Bitcoin? The first question you need to ask in defining Bitcoin is what is money as defined by the current global economy? For people who are entering this ecosystem, Bitcoin is digital gold with a 21 million cap which means that the number of Bitcoins in existence will not exceed 21 million tokens. You can store Bitcoins in crypto that functions like a bank account that cannot be controlled by the bank. Adam Draper, Founder of Boost VC explains where the Federal Reserve can create reserves and has control of the money supply which inflates the currency, Bitcoin is pre-programmed to stay in the 21-million mark. Adam furthers explains the inflationary and deflationary aspect of Bitcoin.

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Defining Bitcoin As The Digital Gold Of The Global Economy with Adam Draper

Adam, tell us a little bit about venture capital and how you got started in this whole movement.

Venture capitalists have been around since Queen Isabella funded Christopher Columbus to cross the Atlantic Ocean and find India, and he happened to stumble upon our country of America. By the way, I use it as an example for it. It took him about seven years to raise the money to go across. In modern day venture capital, there were some people on the East Coast who funded some companies. Around Stanford University, there happened to be great ideas, and my great grandfather founded something called venture capital funds from a firm called Draper, Gaither & Anderson. He brought my grandfather, William Draper.

He was in the steel mills in the Midwest and he came out and worked with my great grandfather, and then separately after a little while, launched a fund called Draper Johnson, and then eventually launched a fund called Sutter Hill Ventures, which is still around. He had a long history of a lot of other things. He headed up the World Bank for Reagan and then he was Undersecretary General of the UN. Around that time, my dad started becoming a venture capitalist. He founded a fund called Draper Fisher Jurvetson and launched a global network of venture capital funds. It’s a long way of saying I’m a fourth-generation venture capitalist.

I wasn’t trying to get into the venture capital game. I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do. In between high school and college, I played professional tennis or tried to. I took a year off, played in Australia. It was fantastic and then I went to UCLA. I was an English major. In my senior year, one of my friends approached me and said, “I’m thinking about starting this company to help secondary markets transact securities,”

I didn’t know what any of those words meant. I started talking to him. His name is Thomas Foley. In 2008, there was a big problem with liquidity in the venture capital ecosystem. Doing secondary transactions was unheard of, so the ability for if I own private shares of a company to sell them to someone else, that didn’t happen. We were trying to create a platform to be able to do that. I joined him. I co-founded a company called Xpert Financial during that time with him. That was a secondary market for private securities.

Over four and a half years, I made every mistake known to man, hiring mistakes, firing mistakes or whatever other product mistakes, regulatory mistakes. We tried everything. I learned a lot. After four and a half years, I ended up leaving the company and I mentored a couple of startups. I invested in a couple of startups after leaving. I found a lot of fulfillment from helping those startups. I eventually founded an accelerator called Boost VC where I help people not make the same mistakes I did.

That’s a long back-channel history of me getting into venture. How I got into crypto was in that space where I was between Xpert Financial and Boost VC, I funded a company called Coinbase. Brian Armstrong was the CEO. We met at a coffee shop and he pitched this vision of what the future was going to look like. He said “At some point the world is going to be on one financial infrastructure.” At that time, I bought into that initially immediately because I felt that we were just a global economy anyway inherently. It made no sense that there are all these borders that are protecting money from movement everywhere. I was like, “I can buy into that.” He said, “I think Bitcoin is a new financial infrastructure.”

Then the third thing he said is, “Coinbase is going to be the means to onboard the world to that new financial infrastructure.” I was very fortunate to be pitched by Brian Armstrong who runs Coinbase, which is probably the most dominant app in the entire ecosystem now. Ever since then, I bought it hook, line and sinker. We were the first fund to focus on Bitcoin-related startups. We’ve backed something 85 crypto-related startups at this point. 2017 was the year that crypto dominated and took over the world. We’re excited that over five years of working on something that people thought was insane, it’s nice to have a small pat on the back that you’re not that insane.

JFS 8 | Defining Bitcoin
Defining Bitcoin: I found a lot of fulfillment from helping startups.

They certainly have done a great job in 2017. Going off into the Coinbase aspect of this, Coinbase is what to brand new crypto audience that are just starting to dabble in this a little bit?

It’s important to cover what is Bitcoin. Ten years ago when it was started, what Bitcoin made everyone asked was, “What is money?” That was the first question. Anyone who’s reading this, you should try to answer that for yourself. You should try to answer that question of “What is money?” That was the question that hooked me. Initially it was, “Does it need to be issued by the centralized government system? Do they do it efficiently?” Then it makes you start asking questions of, “How does a bank work?” I’ve learned more from just asking more and more questions about how things that we take for granted in the world work. I’ve become a more curious person just based off of being a part of this questioning skeptical ecosystem. To understand what Bitcoin is, you need to decouple it and just think about what is money and what money is to you, and then assume that there could be a better way.

The history of money has changed many times over the last 6,000 years. What we’re pitching is this new concept of what money could be. Originally, it was the shells. Mesopotamia had town ledgers technically. Then it was chickens or cows. Then the Medici created ledger-based banking that we use today essentially. What we’re saying is we’re still based on that system. There could be a better system. We are a global economy. We are all united now. Very succinctly, Bitcoin, for the new entrance into the space, is digital gold. It’s a store of value that there is a limited resource of these tokens called Bitcoins. There will only ever be 21 million Bitcoins. It functions a lot like gold because there’s a scarcity of it. You can create this demand for it.

Why does gold have a value? Those are the questions that you start to ask. You start to be like, “I don’t care that much about gold personally and I think that’s something digital.” If you were to design money today, you would not make it paper, that wouldn’t make any sense. I never carry cash. I have to pay the penalty toll every time I cross a bridge because I’m like “I don’t have any money.” In essence that is what Bitcoin is. If you want to understand how it works, we can get more detailed into it, but I always feel like that is the best way to start. It is asking the question of what is money and then pairing it with this is a digital gold. That is what this works as.

It is a bank account that is not held. Think of the power of that though. Suddenly you can store money that is not controlled by a bank, that is not controlled by the government. Suddenly, you can hold money outside of the system, not in a nefarious way, just in an empowering way. People in Greece would have died to have this four years ago when 60% of their money was taken from them, from the government. Venezuela loves the concept of Bitcoin because their money inflates and they call it hyperinflation there. Not even there, everywhere.

Having something that maintains value is interesting for a lot of people. On the other side, this is still a global experiment that’s going on. It’s probably the largest global experiment of all time in a technological sense ever since the internet was an experiment. If you’re thinking about buying, I would never invest anything that you wouldn’t be willing to lose. It’s an exciting asset class that empowers the user. That’s why I love it.

Let’s talk a little bit about inflationary and deflationary. Can you explain the difference between the Federal Reserve note compared to Bitcoin?

It’s very simple. Bitcoin was pre-programmed to only have 21 million Bitcoins ever. To understand that part of it, there are a lot of network of computers all over the world. All they’re doing is one thing, they’re solving a problem. When they solve this problem, it’s an algorithm. When they saw this algorithm, they lock, they add up every transaction that has happened in the last ten minutes inside of the system, and then they log all of those transactions into a ledger.

That’s the crypto world and that ledger that I’m explaining is called the blockchain. This an infinite ledger that continues every ten minutes to have every transaction that’s ever happened inside a Bitcoin logged into it. It is fundamentally powerful. For keeping those computers online and checking each other’s work, they are rewarded a token which is called a Bitcoin. Those computers are called miners in our area. I think they’re misnamed, but that’s how everyone calls them, and they’re rewarded tokens. When people would say it’s not backed by anything, it’s backed by a work of computers.

These computers are doing work to keep this ledger online, and this ledger is very powerful. There’s an incentive to keep the ledger online and that’s the power. Over 140 years, the tokens get released on a logarithmic scale, so I believe sixteen million tokens have been released into the ecosystem. Over the next 130 years, there will be another five million tokens released. Every couple years there’s what they call the halving where less tokens are released for those computers to stay online. The incentive goes down but then they can also enable transaction fees and use miners. That’s something that is another debated topic in the crypto world, in the Bitcoin world.

I’m using crypto and Bitcoin interchangeably. Technically the crypto is the overarching ecosystem and Bitcoin is one of the assets. It’s the original and that’s why I use them interchangeably. I haven’t technically answered your inflation/deflation question. I just wanted to get background to get to the question and answer. That’s the background on how that system works. It’s pre-programmed there will only ever be 21 million Bitcoins. Federal Reserve notes, they can print as many as they want. The government prints tons all the time and so it inflates our currency.

My dollar today is worth less in two days’ time. Globally, that’s a huge epidemic. These governments all over the world do it wrong for power. They’re saying, “I print the currency so I have the power,” and that’s wrong for all intents and purposes. That’s the difference. The difference is Bitcoin has been preprogrammed to only have a certain number that was created by an anonymous person or group ten years ago. It’s preprogrammed to only have is 21 million Bitcoin number. The Federal Reserve can literally print as much as they want.

A question from an audience is, “If somebody programmed it to where it would only have 21 million Bitcoins and anybody who can program something can reprogram something, so what’s to stop us in five, ten, or fifteen years from somebody deciding, ‘Let’s do another 21 million’ which would then cause an inflationary situation?”

What you’re talking about is the governance, how this structure is governed. Technically, you could. I shouldn’t have started with that because it’s very difficult. It would be very unlikely is what I’ll start with. The reason is that how the system works is that these miners that are hooked up to the network are also the votes. If the community wants to enable a new update to the system, what has to happen is it gets proposed by the community, the Bitcoin core devs have to say, “We think it’s a good idea.” There are only five Bitcoin core devs and then all of the miners have to have consensus and have 51% of the network to say yes. How they say yes is they vote.

Think about it this way, it would de-incentivize me as a miner to double the number of tokens in the world so that my incentive is to keep a smaller number of tokens in the world because I’ve mined this token and I don’t want to inflate it. I don’t want that token to have less value. If you’re looking at the Law of Incentives, that just won’t happen because the miners want it to be a specific way. It’s a community-based regulation system. We call it governance, but yeah, it’s regulation.

These are guys that have vested interest and one of the other things about mining that people may or may not know is that that is a real expense and a real cost of mining these coins. Electricity, yes, that’s right. It’s not something that very flippantly you could just voila and produce these coins.

Even to compete for Hash Rate to get Bitcoin, you need a pretty intense setup now to be a vote in the ecosystem.

Let’s talk about China and China’s involvement as far as with the miners and what China has done in whenever it was months ago that said no more Bitcoins or they couldn’t keep up. Can you visit about that issue?

It sounds very basic on the surface, but there’s so much history behind all of them. It’s not about China specifically. China said, “No more ICOs.” They did the same thing to Bitcoin three years ago where they said, “No more Bitcoin trading.” All that means is they’re not doing any more trades from bank accounts. It turns out that it’s a very popular system, off-bank transactions, in China because they understand the value of keeping money that is not held by the government. Their citizens understand that value. China, as an organization or government, is like “They first go. I want to control,” and then they go, all ease up as this becomes a bigger and more trusted thing.

That’s what they did with Bitcoin and then ICOs. Bitcoin is one cryptocurrency. There are thousands of cryptocurrencies now. That wasn’t true five years ago. ICOs are the way in which these currencies of protocols or tokens have come into the world. China again said no and then the volume is slowly increased in China again. It’s one of these things where they publicly say no and then it eases up in the world a little bit. That’s on the regulation front. You’re talking about government of China.

On the mining front, China technically still has a large percentage of mining resources in China. That doesn’t mean it’s controlled by the government in China. There are a lot of individual mining farms all over China that I believe take up about 50% to 60% of the network, but they’re all controlled by a lot of different people. The major one is in China. His name is Jihan Wu. I believe what you’re hinting at was that Jihan Wu said, “Bitcoin’s not perfect for a payment system.” He created a fork of the network.

Bitcoin was going along as one timeline, and then at one point you double the entire network. From then on out, there are two timelines and they renamed one of those timelines, Bitcoin cash. That timeline has a couple small changes that they made to it. He’s a powerful enough miner. He has enough of the ecosystem and mining power that he’s able to sustain his own Bitcoin network essentially and it’s taken a life of its own. It’s a great thing where there are these two different Bitcoins. I don’t love that they’re both named Bitcoin; that’s confusing to people.

That’s everything I would say from China’s perspective. The government said no, opened it up, the government said no again, opened it up. Then on the mining power, it’s not the Chinese government, although they probably are starting to experiment and see what they can control. Think about it this way, what other technology in the world is every government talking about? Every government all over the world is having to take a stance on whether they’re pro or against cryptocurrency, and that is crazy.

JFS 8 | Defining Bitcoin
Defining Bitcoin: To understand what Bitcoin is, you need to decouple it. Think about what is money and what money is to you, and then assume that there could be a better way.

Wouldn’t you agree that this is like a balloon that when the government says, “We don’t want cryptocurrency here,” it’s squeezed on one end and it only gets larger on other end, so it drives money to that other country that is accepting.

Historically, if you invested in everything that China banned, you’re good.

There was an article that China wants to try to have an orderly exit from Bitcoin mining, and so what they’re trying to do is go up on the utility costs because it is very expensive from an electrical standpoint to run a mining operation. If they can subsidize the electricity, then guys can get in there at a lower rate and produce all these coins, but once they start to say, “Wait a minute; we’re going to pull the electricity back; we’re going to go up on the price; or we’re going to take your water,” the things that make mining appealing, then that could change some things. Any idea on that?

From a government standpoint, that’s a good move if they want to move mining outside of China, but it’s just going to go somewhere else. What happens in this world is by decentralizing, by taking the power of money printing away from the government, everyone starts to ask the question of what is government to many. The first question that Bitcoin made everyone ask is what is money. The next question that’s going to be asked is what is government? The world is liquid. It’ll make people move to where the rules suit their needs, not control their needs. That’s an exciting time where competitive governance is going to be a real thing in the future.

Five years ago, it was more of a libertarian-type movement in the Bitcoin space. Do you see that that is the same? Do you see it growing? Do you see more tech getting involved in this?

I’d say it’s always been the tech people. It was just very appealing to technologists because it was something that challenged the status quo. The first generation were idealists and anarchists and bring-down-the-government type of people. It was very pie in the sky. It wasn’t that Bitcoins were trading it cents to dollars, not tens of thousands of dollars per crypto per coin, and then it was startups, the VCs and startups. The next level is going to be institutional. We’re about to have an incredible amount of institutional capital flood the market in a good way where it’s showing trust in the ecosystem and value in what’s being displayed.

There is a lot of speculation and that’s also driven a lot of the excitement and the desire to make this thing a reality, but it’s going through a generational adoption of the technology. I feel like a grandfather in the system because I’ve been around for six years in the Bitcoin ecosystem and it’s changed a lot. People have changed. A lot of people lost faith after three years. It was the 2013 or 2014 winter when it wiped a lot of people out. In Boost VC, we’ve doubled down during that time. We backed a lot of great companies who are now emerging as winners. It was like the adoption didn’t hit when everyone wanted it to and so everyone got a little worried. Some of the companies ran out of money. Some of them just lost faith for all intents and purposes.

Then the institutions came in and started to “work with the startups.” That’s a tough spot for startups to be because you start to just work for that big institution and build blockchain projects for them or whatever. None of those fruited anything. Nothing came of those projects that we’re working with big institutions, maybe Chain and there might be one or two that were able to deliver on projects that became public. Last year what ended up creating this excitement and craziness was Ethereum launched something called an ERC20 Smart Contract. I’m getting a little ahead of myself here, but Ethereum is another cryptocurrency. They decided you don’t first do this at Bitcoin transaction times, which is low.

The second thing that they’re saying is you don’t only need to log tokens into the blockchain, you could log contracts and anything. They launched the Contract which allowed anyone to crowd fund from anywhere all over the world and launch a token. The reason that everyone is going crazy over tokens and crypto is because of Ethereum. Ethereum brought the spotlight to the idea that researchers and people who have big ideas of building protocols could crowd fund from a very specific set of people. That’s how we emerged out. It got adopted fast, it went crazy fast. The last twelve months have been a whirlwind.

Let’s move into the venture capitalist section for a moment. What do you look for as a VC guy in a technology as well as in the makeup of the management team and so forth? Can you address those?

A lot of people ask that question and my answer is I look for the same thing that I looked for before, in teams. I want to know that they can deliver on the vision of this idea. I want a team that generally would have experienced before ideally, but if not at least a reason why. I try to get to the why of why a team is doing what they’re doing. At the end of the day, the why is what keeps them in the game. People who don’t have emotional or core attachment to their project, the thing they’re building, end up giving up easily. The people who don’t give up have a real true attachment to the project. The number one question I ask people is “Why are you doing this?”

Starting a company is hard. It’s the opposite of an intelligence test. It’s not intelligence that makes you win. It’s sheer will and determination. You develop an expertise in a very specific set of things. I look for the same thing. I look for good teams, good people who we can trust. Especially in this world of crypto that’s going on, there are a lot of scams. We happen to have a very great purview into the ecosystem. We have a group of people that we trust and those trusted people refer us great companies and great talent. We’re very fortunate that we’ve been around for six years in the ecosystem. It took a while for the world to catch up, but we’re happy where we are.

As far as investing goes, are you investing tokens? Or are you investing Federal Reserve notes? Or have you started to get into tokens?

My fund is denominated in US dollars. I don’t have a crypto fund, so I do invest in US dollars, but what’s interesting is these companies aren’t really companies, so in a token, there’s no profits, there are no revenue. That isn’t what our project is. These are networks. It would be the equivalent of investing in the internet, not Facebook. We’re investing in the equivalent of the internet. What would you value the Internet at today? For people who invented the Internet didn’t get any money. They didn’t make any money off the internet. This is a flip the entire profits/revenue paradigm on its head system.

We’re investing in these networks and these networks aren’t centralized. There’s no CEO. It’s one of these interesting things that we normally do invest in a company and that company might hold some of the token, but then also there is a project that’s outside of that company where the founders of the company might be lead architects on the token. It’s a very complicated thing that’s very new. A lot of the organizational issues are going to be sorted out in the next twelve months. Right now, we try to align incentives the best we can in the future winners of the world though, the people who change technology and how we live are starting. It’s probably some seventeen-year-old in high school who just built some cool thing.

There’ve been all kinds of different stabs at the different ventures. All the way from China, there was a famous story of a company that bakes cakes or something to that effect that made a coin and put it out there that had no revenue model that could sustain itself. Going back to this internet thing, you’re looking to something that you have a vision long-term that says, “That can work. Long-term, this idea can work. We can put some wheels on this. There’s going to be a time of investing, in getting people adapted to it, but after a certain period, this will begin to have revenue.”

That’s the old way. The new way is not that.

Explain a little bit the new way.

How will you measure the value of a company? Let’s say you’re trying to measure Facebook value. Its market cap is based off of future profits. That’s what they value everything off of, the share price is valued off of future profits. You could return your money in six years. They do the discounted cash flow analysis. These are measured based off of network throughput. It would be measured based off of velocity of money, like how many tokens are moving hands peer to peer in the network. It will be more like measuring GDP than measuring a market cap. It’s valuable because people are using it. It’s not valuable because you’re returning profits from the customers.

Networks are only valuable if other people are on them, and so that’s where crypto is very valuable; when other people are on them and I care that you’re on the network. Like Facebook, I care that you’re on the network. That’s a perfect de-centralized app. Facebook should be worried if there is a competitor that comes out that creates a protocol where we connect with each other that is not through their system. The coolest part about it is the early adopters could be incentivized with tokens to have this entire ecosystem work. Tokens are a great way to incentivize early adopters and early users of any platform.

As an example, let’s say that you could create a network for people to buy fuel and that fuel could be gasoline, diesel, propane or electricity. I have no clue if Elon has an idea of this or if it’s already out there, but if he wanted to roll out an ICO for charging stations for his electric vehicles, that would be something that has value.

There’re two different things. There’s a utility token and then there’s just tokens that work as equity. The tokens that work because equity, you might as well just be a Delaware C-corp and be a company. You’re probably fundraising as an ICO because it was difficult for you to fundraise generally or you are working around the crypto world and that makes a lot of sense because you want to gain recognition for that. In the utility token world where it’s not me selling things to you, it’s we’re a part of this network and I’m sending money to you like a bank would, but there is no bank there or it’s mostly sending different token amounts of money or creating scarcity of objects. I don’t know if you heard about CryptoKitties, but that’s a big deal. Creating scarcity is something the blockchain does well and that’s what CryptoKitties is. There’s only going to be a limited supply of Gen 0 cats and they’re all unique and then you can breed them. It’s very weird, but very cool.

JFS 8 | Defining Bitcoin
Defining Bitcoin: Networks are only valuable if other people are on them.

Go into this next level, and this is the left/right paradigm shift.

Bitcoin is the equivalent of investing in the internet. TCP/IP is the Internet. That’s the protocol that we all use every day. You, me, we are all hooked up and connected to this thing. The world is hooked up to this thing. It doesn’t generate any money. There’s no internet company that creates revenue. There are a bunch of service providers who provide the Internet to people, but that’s not the internet. That isn’t an internet company. That isn’t the protocol. This is the equivalent of launching different types of the intranet.

What we’ve created here with Bitcoin is the internet of money, and so suddenly instead of service providers being displaced, this would be banks being displaced. There is no more banking system. This is the answer to what happens if banks don’t hold money. That’s the difference between a company and a protocol. The internet is the best example. There is no CEO of the internet. When people ask who is the CEO of Bitcoin, it is the equivalent of asking who’s the CEO of the internet.

To get the glisters off the left/right paradigm of saying, “Any type of company that you have, you must register it.” Bitcoin’s not registered. Bitcoin doesn’t have a CEO, exactly what you were talking about with the internet. It’s just out there. The governments of the world, the agencies, the for-profit tax-exempt corporations are trying to figure out how they can get their hooks in this thing so they can tax it.

For all intents and purposes, it is regulated. If I buy a token at $20 and I sell it at $100, that’s a capital gain. I should be taxed on that. That’s regulation in the jurisdiction that I live in. People will make it easier for me to do that and my rules will become better. I will eventually move to the country that has the best rules for tokens, but in general, the government will say “Pay your taxes.” I’m definitely not suggesting people don’t pay their taxes. Pay your taxes, but there’re always a lot of questions about, “Isn’t that the currency that all the drug dealers and bad people use?” No, the currency that all the drug dealers use is US dollars.

Bitcoin is an open ledger. If I were building a drug empire, I would not use a ledger that anyone in the world could look at. Anyone in the world can search the blockchain for every transaction. If I know that a transaction on the blockchain was for drugs or whatever, it’s leaving breadcrumbs. It’s only a matter of time before you charge out the entire system and you’re like, “This person’s building a drug empire.” It would be the worst.

What if there was a jurisdiction that had no tax? Do you think all the coins would go to that jurisdiction?

A lot of smart people would go to that jurisdiction. I’ve seen a lot of early adopters of the currency who are very visionary would go to that jurisdiction for no capital gains. There are a lot of people who have moved outside of the country for this reason, for this purpose.

There was a story about Trump’s Tax Plan and China said, “That’s fine.” If Trump’s going to lower the tax over there, we’re going to lower the tax to zero. With that zero tax, you have to see what other hooks come along with that, but if there’s a jurisdiction, and I think there is one coming that is not going to have a bunch of hooks in it that would have a zero type text involved in it, smart money is like water, it will go to the place where it needs to ultimately be to, and the people that want to stay in a jurisdiction that’s highly taxable, then maybe they get what they deserve.

I believe in the freedom of money, and that’s what this is. On top of that, I believe a government should be figuring out how to make your life better, not taking away from it. In my generation, we haven’t had the government try to be good.

As we’ve gone back to do a study of money from 1913 when the Federal Reserve was first set up, there is a long history of having absolute power in certain people’s hands and there’s a long history of bad things that have happened and I think that we’re coming to a point in time that people are voting with their feet and they’re saying, “We’re just not going to support an out of control drug‑dealing type and war-machine entity.”

People are liquid. We can move anywhere in the world. There are tools to be able to learn to speak languages, but most people speak similar languages. There are ways to communicate. There are places and ways to exist everywhere. It’s just fascinating to watch this. What I’m most excited about the crypto-Bitcoin ecosystem, this world that exists now, is that it’s challenging everything for people. They are asking, “What is money to me?” Honestly, most people who are speculating on this market don’t understand how powerful the fact that they’re owning this thing is. They don’t get it. Most of these people are buying and they’re thinking, “The price will go up.” They’re not thinking, “I have $20,000; I have $10,000; I have $5,000 that the government, no matter what, could not take from it.” That is crazy.

Someone asked me, “If the crap hits the fan, what happens then? Like the entire economy completely drops?” What I said was, “What’s going to happen? You’re going to run to your bank and try to cash out the $10,000 or $5,000 that you can get out of the account that day and I’m not.” That’s what’s going to happen. You’re going to try to figure out how to get to your bank and you’re going to try to figure out how to get as much money as you can out of the account. They have limited withdrawals. I’m going to think, “I have my money. I have my bank in the internet as long as the internet’s up.” If the internet goes down, I do have an issue, I will admit. We all have issues if the internet goes down. If the internet goes down, we’re in Zombieland.

If they truly hit the internet kill switch, which would be the power base, if they turn the power off throughout the world, then we all start over again and the best guy wins at that point in time.

There’s a great quote by a guy named Phil Libin who founded Evernote. He said, “The future either looks like Star Trek or it looks like Mad Max. Anytime, it can look like Star Trek, I invest.” That is usually my philosophy. We’re not going to bring cash to space. We’re going to be a multi-planetary species at some point. There’s no way we’re paying people on the space stations with US dollars. That would take up space.

At what point in time do you think that the Federal Reserve comes to the realization that the cat’s out of the bag, the gig is up, people know what we’ve done, so we better do a coin? Do you think that ever happens in the US?

It’s an interesting question because it’s about incentives. Jamie Dimon said, “I shouldn’t have said that Bitcoin was a fraud.” He’s already taking his statement back, which was two months ago that he said Bitcoin was a fraud. First off, it was a brilliant marketing move to peg himself against Bitcoin because I wouldn’t have known who Jamie Dimon was. Everyone in crypto knows because he was the enemy, the antihero, the antagonist.

It was a brilliant marketing move. He is smart. He knew what was going on. He was excited about it and I think it was a marketing personally. The banks are asking themselves what happens when we don’t control the money. People like Merrill Lynch who’s shutting down their brokers’ ability to trade Bitcoin and their clients’ ability to buy Bitcoin are idiots. Now might be the time to short Merrill Lynch because that is the dumbest thing to do.

They’ve shot themselves in the foot. Adam, you know that there’s going to be some other knuckleheads that will come out and follow Merrill.

It’s a ridiculous thing. It’s freedom. Anytime there is a liquid free market, it works better than if you control it every single time. For some reason, people keep not doing that. They keep wanting to hold their little honey pot like a hostage, and like “No, maintain. Not make better.” we’re the generation of make better. I want my government to work for me. I don’t want to think, “This money I pay every year goes into a sinkhole.” That’s what I think. I literally think that it does no value.

There probably is value in that system somewhere and I’m like, “Where is it? Show me that value. I want my government working for me if I’m paying 30% of my capital gains.” I’m in California, I’m paying the worst. Everyone jokes that it’s a tax on paradise or whatever, but our state is just bad. The next four years and the next ten years are going to be a dramatic shift where you’re going to start to see innovation from the government again.

There was already a massive shift when Trump got into office. That was the shift that people said, “We don’t like the way the establishment has been working over the past 80 years or whatever it is, so we’re going to take a chance on somebody that is not one of the insiders.” As we see this thing begin to morph, you’re seeing the economy increase, you’re seeing a lot of great things happen. People are starting to have your exact view of saying, “I want my government to work for me and to do some things. If you want a portion of my equity, my sweat equity, I’m going to demand you to do something.”

It’s not, “Give me things.” It’s, “I’m going to work. I don’t want things given to me. I want to work, but I want to know what I’m working for. What vision are you trying to paint?” It’s not, “Give me.” It’s, “I want to work. Everyone should want to work for something and you’re not giving us anything to work for. You’re giving us stuff. Stop giving us stuff.”

For decades people have said, “I don’t want to get involved in the government. Let them do whatever,” and we have gotten what we deserved. We’ve had this shift that’s coming in. I believe it’s been the blockchain technology. Like you said, people are starting to question money. How do we get here? The next step, people are going to start to question the administration, “What are you administrating?” and ,“Why are you administrating these things?” I’m excited for the next decade. It’s going to be awesome. There’re going to be great things coming.

It is not political. I am just like, “The world can be better.” That’s my thought process, and Bitcoin was my purview. When you get so obsessed with something and you learn about how everything works, the money system, the Fed Reserve, what currency is to you, what money is to you, and you start asking these bigger questions. You become more curious about everything. There’re better ways for things and I want people to be empowered. I don’t want people to feel they’re taken advantage of.

want them to feel like, “I want to work for this country. I want this country to work for me.” Otherwise, smaller governments are going to be better. Otherwise, these smaller countries are going to be flush with people because you will have a say in what happens. Everyone will have an actual set. A tenth of the entire country’s lives in California. That is crazy. We have a tenth of the country’s population in our state and we are the worst state.

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Defining Bitcoin: When you get so obsessed with something and you learn about how everything works, you start asking bigger questions.

I believe that change is coming and people are starting to wake up and the curtain is being pulled back to all the deception that’s happened. On our show, we don’t get into the Republican, the Democrat, the independent guy, or Libertarian per se, but what we want is that positive change and try to motivate people to get out there and hold these guys accountable.

I will believe that the government has changed when my experience at the DMV is good. Honestly, I think cars will be driving me and not going to the DMV. They will go to the DMV for me before that happens. When that happens, I will be like, “It’s time to move into government. It’s time for people to want to work for it.” It’s the government getting the smartest people. I don’t think the government gets the hardest-working people anymore because it’s not as exciting. I want that to happen again. My grandpa worked for the government. He always defends it because he knew a day when it was good to the people, it was helpful, and it was all those things. I’m like “I’m not there anymore.”

It’s changed and as the people over the past several decades have gone to sleep. It’s human nature that if you give somebody a lot of power without any type of accountability, they’re going to be off in the ditch and that’s where we’ve got with the administrations.

For awhile there, everyone was blaming millennials for stuff. They’re blaming us for their life because we look ridiculous. I’m technically a millennial, but I feel old sometimes. Now, it’s one of the biggest markets in history. Everyone’s changing their tune and not blaming the millennials for anything. It’s a funny thing that happened. Now that they have money, everyone is like, “I didn’t say that.”

Adam, we’d love for you to come on and give us updates and visit with us in the future. We’re very excited about the cryptocurrency space and what’s going on. I’m excited about the venture capital and how that’s moving this whole process forward.

It was great to talk to you and have a good one. It was a pleasure.

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About Adam Draper


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Adam Draper is the founder and managing director of Boost VC. Adam is a 2x entrepreneur and a 4th generation venture capitalist. He also has a very large comic book collection.

In 2009, the same year that Adam graduated from UCLA, he founded Xpert Financial, a secondary market for private securities. After settling millions of dollars in private security transactions and becoming a registered broker dealer, he left Xpert Financial in late 2012 and began angel investing, where he backed such startups as Coinbase, Plangrid and Amplitude.

Adam then partnered up with Brayton Williams to change the face of global startup mentorship. The focus of Boost VC on future technology development stems from Adam Draper’s dream to create an Iron Man suit.

Taxation Of Cryptocurrency: Regulation Or Total Control?

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Another great change is about to happen to our country and it has cryptocurrency written all over it. Bitcoin and other virtual coins will experience a crash at some time. People who think they have money will think they’ve lost it and demand that the industry be regulated to prevent it from happening again. Time and time again, history has proven that this kind of economic situation is a staged event by people on the inside. Taxation of cryptocurrency is the government’s guise of owning and controlling your money.

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Taxation Of Cryptocurrency: Regulation Or Total Control?

The title of our podcast is Taxation of Property Including Cryptocurrency. For the most part, people don’t understand money, where it comes from and how to get it. Yet wars are fought over it. People are killed for it and families break up over it. The Gospel is preached all over the world using the tool that we call money. Is money a bad thing? No. Absolutely not. The trick about money is the bad thing. Money is not bad providing you understand the game of money. The Bible says and usually when you hear that quote it’s often misquoted but I’ll quote it correctly, “It’s the love of money that is the root of all evil.”

It’s not money that is the root of all evil. It’s the love of the money. You cannot serve two masters. “No man can serve two masters. For either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon,” Matthew 6:23.That word mammon there is talking about money. Great change in our nation and world is coming and it’s important that you become educated about cryptocurrency. It is not going away. However, in the Bible days, they had real money, unlike today. What we have today is credit.

You’ll see a lot of people that were around back in 1933 remembered what happened. That generation is dying off and most of you will never hear the story. I was shocked when I found out in 1998 after reading a book about how the Fed system really worked. I thought I understood commercial underwriting of paper in insurance. However, I had no clue as to how close I was to the great beast of humanity. I have included, for your enlightenment, a free PDF copy of the book The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve. It’s 611 pages long, but once you get into it, you’re going to love it and it’s hard to put down. It’s a great book to read. Remember, our goal is to help you reach your goals in life. Please place on your bucket list to read this book, The Creature from Jekyll Island. Ever since the President’s tax plan was passed, there’s been a lot of talk out here that the IRS is going to tax your cryptocurrency. We’re going to give you something to think about. Justin, why don’t you tell our listeners about the term income?

It gets convoluted as it covers so many apparent unrelated topics, but we’ll try to make it easy for them. We have placed a permanent part of each court case or statute in another portion of this podcast and they will all be downloadable. There’s no need to scribble, pause, backup, scribble some more and so on. Just listen to the presentation and then get the written material as verification of what I’m telling you. Keep in mind that I’m not giving legal advice. I’m just reading sections and telling you what I think they mean and why.

Let’s start off with a definition of the United States because it’s crucial in all of this. It’s found in a number of places, Internal Revenue Code 7701 one section A, subsection 9section 3121subsection (e) of the Internal Revenue Code and the Code of Federal Regulations in part 31 section 3121subsection (e)-1.We’ll start off with 3121 subsection (e)-1, State United States, and citizen. Subsection (a)When used in the regulations in this subpart, “The term “State” includes the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, the Territories of Alaska and Hawaii before their admission as States, and (when used with respect to services performed after 1960) Guam and American Samoa.

It’s important that you understand that a State includes the territories of Alaska and Hawaii before their admission as States, not after their admission as States. That means that the other 48 States, Texas, California, New York, Wyoming, whatever, are not considered States as it applies to the Internal Revenue Code. You’ll notice that there are some differences between subsection (a) which deals with the term State and subsection (b), which deals with the term United States. Again, when we get to the last part of the subsection (b), it deals with the citizen of the United States and that’s even different from the other two.

Back to the text, subsection (b) When used in the regulations in this subpart, the term “United States,” when used in a geographical sense, means the several states (including the Territories of Alaska and Hawaii before their admission as States), the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands. When used in the regulations in this subpart with respect to services performed after 1960, the term “United States” also includes Guam and American Samoa when the term is used in a geographical sense. The term “citizen of the United States” includes a citizen of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico or the Virgin Islands, and, effective January 1, 1961, a citizen of Guam or American Samoa.

One of the most significant is Internal Revenue Code section 7701 subsection (8) subsection (9) which states the United States is defined in subsection (9), which states, “The term ‘United States’ when used in a geographical sense includes only the States and the District of Columbia. One of the places that that term State is defined in section 7701 subsection (a) subsection (10), which states, “The term “State” shall be construed to include the District of Columbia, where such construction is necessary to carry out provisions of this title.” The trick word here is the word includes. There are two very important words in the construction of laws and one of them is “includes.” Generally speaking, “includes” is a word of expansion, and the word means “is an exact.” If the section says, “such and such means,” it means exactly the words that follow. If they used the words include or including or included, other things can be added.

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Taxation Of Cryptocurrency: A law means what it says and says what it means and that nothing can be added to it or taken from it by inference.

Justin, can you explain then about things that are identified that must be like?

That’s found in one of the rules of statutory construction. The first rule of statutory construction, and this is so important, is that a law means what it says and says what it means and that nothing can be added to it or taken from it by inference. Don’t let anybody ever tell you, “I know that’s what it says, but that’s not what it means,” because it doesn’t mean exactly what it says. This is where some of the trucks come in now. There’s another rule called ejusdem generis, which is Latin, and that means of the same kind, class or nature.

In the construction of laws, wills and other instruments, the ejusdem generis rule is that were general words follow an enumeration of persons or things by words of a particular and specific meaning, such general words are not to be construed in their widest extent, but are to be held as applying only to persons or things at the same general kind or class as those specifically mentioned. That’s found in the case of United States v. LaBrecque, District Court of New Jersey,419 F. Supp. 430 and 432. Basically, the way to explain this is if you’re going to define the word shoe, you can say that the word shoe include moccasins, sandals, Oxfords, and boots. Could also include flip-flops? Could it also include mules and things of that nature? Sure, because those are all things you put on your feet to protect them. What happens is somebody throws the word bicycle into the term shoes as part of thousand definition?

I haven’t seen the mule shoe yet. Can you explain that?

Mules are like bedroom slippers. They’ve got generally felt like some furry stuff on the inside.

I’ve never heard them referred to mules. Is that where they come up with the term of, “Get your arse to bed?”

I don’t think so, no. We’re talking about things that can be included with the words included, the words include in a in a law. It can only include other things that are of the same type, class or nature. They can’t put in things of another type, class or nature. In many of the laws, the word person for example, is defined generally speaking, as an organization, corporation, association, and an individual. Organization, corporation, association are all entities that have been created by the State. They are fictitious entities. Individual, if it’s going to fit in there, what also has to be something created by an entity.

Justin, if you could break this down because this may be the first time that our listeners have ever heard this, so can you break this down as far as in the fruit category because the listeners may not understand because we haven’t covered it yet, what a person means, but when you start to explain the different fruits and you have three and then you have the odd one, maybe it will paint a better picture on their minds.

If you take an apple or defined fruit as including apples and oranges and pears, and then you also add something in there that is a beef steak. Beef steak is not in the same category. It’s not the same kind, class or nature as the others. If beef steak is going to belong in there, there’s got to be a special definition for beef steak that actually makes it a fruit and that’s what they do to you in a lot of their definitions. They have a special definition for the odd word that makes it fit in there.

If you have the apple, the banana and the pear and then you have a steak of some type, that would be the odd thing out.

Unless you can find a definition in that code or in some code that applies to define steak as being a fruit, it doesn’t apply and it cannot be part of that section.

The reason I bring that up is that there’s a term for a beef steak tomato. That’s why I wanted to make sure to clarify that. What they do when they try to construct these is that it must be things that are absolutely alike and when you see this word, person, now he’s going to get in and explain this. Now, this isn’t going to be super technical all the way through, but there are some basic foundations that you really need to understand to figure out where they’re trying to get you in this cryptocurrency as far as the regulators. Here’s what we believe is getting ready to happen and it always happens this way and you could just write it and peg it exactly what they’re getting ready to do.

At some point in time, Bitcoin or the other coins will crash. There’ll be a lot of people that will lose what they perceive to be money and they’ll scream and beg for regulators to come in and regulate the industry in order to make sure that doesn’t happen again. Every time that this has happened to all the way back since 1929 with the stock market crash, that was a false flag staged event that was orchestrated purposely by the guys on the inside. I believe they’re going to try that again, and the reason that they’re going to try that is for regulation purposes. That’s why we’re covering this tonight so you can get an idea and an understanding of what these words mean. Justin, go ahead and explain what our next topic is.

Another definition is found in Internal Revenue Code 3021 subsection (e), and you’ll notice a difference here. United States, State and Citizen of the United States, subsection (e) State, United States, and Citizen. For purposes of this chapter—(1) State, “The term ‘State’ includes the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, and American Samoa. I’m going to break from the script here now. You’ll notice that it did not say the territories of Alaska and Hawaii before they entered into Statehood. That’s why the regulation is important to know.

Back to the script, subsection (2) United States, “The term ‘United States’ when used in a geographical sense includes the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, and American Samoa, breaks from the script. Notice again, it had no mention of the territories of Alaska and Hawaii. That’s their way of tricking you. This is the law I’m reading to you now, the Statute and then it says, “An individual who is a citizen of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico (but not otherwise a citizen of the United States) shall be considered, for the purposes of this section, as a citizen of the United States.”

I want to point out something to you of the difference between regulations and statutes. Statues are things that are enacted by whatever legislature it is. Congress could be the legislature if your state and it’s generally signed into law by the president or the governor of your state, and it’s a statute. A regulation is something that is written by the department head of whatever department is involved. For example, if we’re talking about internal revenue, it’d be the secretary of the Treasury. A regulation tells the people in that department how they’re going to administer the law, the statute that’s been written. A regulation is a guide how to administer something. The statute is the thing that Congress or the legislature has enacted. If there’s a conflict between the two, the statute wins out. The wording of the statute wins.

How does the term State and Citizen of the United States come into play here?

We’ve pretty much covered a lot of that, but the term state shall be construed to include the district of Columbia who are such construction is necessary to carry out the provisions of this title and it also because of the regulation involved, does include the territory of Alaska and Hawaii before they entered into statehood, which exempts the 50 states of the union from the definition of the term state only where it applies in a internal revenue code, which is what we’re dealing with here.

How does this relate to the term income?

Income is another term that is grossly misused. The internal revenue or the Internal Revenue Service will tell you that income is everything that comes into your household and that’s absolutely not true. The term income is not defined in the Internal Revenue Code. I am told that it’s because Congress has been prohibited from defining income, but we do have some terms or some definitions for income in the Internal Revenue Code. The first is in Section 61 and that’s gross income defined of subsection (a) General definition except as otherwise provided by in the subtitle. Gross income means all income from whatever source derived, etc. What they’re doing is using the word to define itself. They’re using the word income to define the word income. You can’t do that.

When I was in the government schools, they told us that we couldn’t use the word in a Senate, so they said, “Define what a car is? A car is a car that you drive in.” Yet the IRS has done this exact same thing. In the definition, you can’t use the name of the definition in the sentence of the definition.

It’s a circular definition.

You never get to the truth?

That’s correct. The next one is section 63 which is Taxable income defined. It refers right back to section 61. Subsection (a) IN GENERAL, Except as provided in subsection (b), for purposes of this subtitle, the term “taxable income” means gross income minus the deductions allowed by this chapter (other than the standard deduction). Then it goes on with a lot of other things. I’ve excised the remainder of the section because once you realize that income is the profit gain a corporate business, you realize that the term probably doesn’t apply to you at all. A lot of people will say that the Sixteenth Amendment really sews a lasso around throat and ropes us in and I’m going to read the Sixteenth Amendment to you. It says, “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”

When you were reading that top part, it just hit me. The Federal Reserve note that we have been told is money and we know that it’s not because it’s a note. It’s a promise to pay and it doesn’t say when they’re going to pay us, if ever they’re going to pay us. How do they, with a straight face try to describe income with a note? In other words, if I say, “Let me buy that pencil from you,” and you say, “That’s fine,” and I write up a note and I hand that to you and you say, “What’s this?” “It’s a promise to pay you.””Okay.” “I’ll pay you on Friday.” “Fine.” When Friday comes along, I’ll give you another promise to pay. At some point in time, wouldn’t you say, “I want money. I don’t want another note. I want money.” How do they get away with pulling this off? Is this part of our decades of brainwashing?

It’s actually explained very well in a saying adapted by accountants worldwide and the initials for that are LLPOF and that stands for “Liar Liar Pants On Fire.” You’re absolutely right. A Federal Reserve note is exactly that. It’s a note. A note is only a promise to pay and it has absolutely no value, whatsoever. The Sixteenth Amendment applies only to indirect taxes, which encompasses the duties imposed on excises. Brushaber v. Union Pacific Railroad Company 240 U.S. 1 at Page 11. I’ve got Brushaber right here. Before I get into Brushaber, I’m going to talk to you about Article 1, Section 8Clause 1 of the Constitution, and that basically says “The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.”

The term taxes refer to property tax, tax on your property and it also refers to capitation. It used to be called The Capitation Tax, which is a tax on your head or the head’s of your slaves because slaves were legal, one that’s the constitution was written. Taxes are regulated by Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3, which starts out representatives and direct taxes are a portion throughout the several states. A portion means only that it’s an evening out of what we have to pay and the way it works is this. There are 435 members in the House of Representatives. Each state has a certain member. Texas has 32 and Wyoming has one for example. To make the math simple, let’s just say the Congress wants to levy a tax for $435 million. Texas is going to have to come up with $32 million, Wyoming is going to have to come up with $1 million and the least respective states recoup the taxes from their people however they run their taxing.

Let’s get into Brushaber v. Union Pacific Railroad. This starts on about page eleven and it says. “We’re of opinion, however, that the confusion is not inherent, but rather arises from the conclusion that the Sixteenth Amendment provides for a hitherto unknown power of taxation — that is, a power to levy an income tax which, although direct, should not be subject to the regulation of apportionment applicable to all other direct taxes. And the far-reaching effect of this erroneous assumption will be made clear by generalizing the many contentions advanced in argument to support it, as follows: (a) The Amendment authorizes only a particular character of direct tax without apportionment, and therefore if a tax is levied under its assumed authority which does not partake of the characteristics exacted by the Amendment, it is outside of the Amendment, and is void as a direct tax in the general constitutional sense because not apportioned.

(b) As the Amendment authorizes a tax only upon incomes “from whatever source derived,” the exclusion from taxation of some income of designated persons and classes is not authorized, and hence the constitutionality of the law must be tested by the general provisions of the Constitution as to taxation, and thus again the tax is void for want of apportionment. (c) As the right to “tax incomes from whatever source derived” for which the Amendment provides must be considered as exacting intrinsic uniformity, therefore no tax comes under the authority of the Amendment not conforming to such standard, and hence all the provisions of the assailed statute must once more be tested solely under the general and preexisting provisions of the Constitution, causing the statute again to be void in the absence of apportionment. (d) As the power conferred by the Amendment is new and prospective, the attempt in the statute to make its provisions retroactively apply is void. So far as the retroactive period is concerned, it is governed by the preexisting constitutional requirement as to apportionment.

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Taxation Of Cryptocurrency: The Federal Government does not have or should not have the power to destroy a right that’s given to you and I by God, by our Creator.

It clearly results that the proposition and the contentions under it, if acceded to, would cause one provision of the Constitution to destroy another. That is, they would result in bringing the provisions of the Amendment exempting a direct tax from apportionment into irreconcilable conflict with the general requirement that all direct taxes be apportioned. Moreover, the tax authorized by the Amendment, being direct, would not come under the rule of uniformity applicable under the Constitution to other than direct taxes, and thus it would come to pass that the result of the Amendment would be to authorize a particular direct tax not subject either to apportionment or to the rule of geographical uniformity, thus giving power to impose a different tax in one state or states than was levied in another state or states.

The next one we’ll talk about is Doyle v. Mitchell Brothers 247 U.S. 179, 183. This is also from the Supreme Court. An examination of these and other provisions of the act (The Sixteenth Amendment) make it plain that this legislative purpose was not to tax property as such, or the mere conversion of property, but to tax the conduct of the business of corporations organized for profit upon their gainful returns from their business operations.

In this particular case, this is saying that it can tax corporations. It can tax businesses. I don’t see in that particular case, now that ruling was 1918, is that correct?


Was that case overturned?


That case still stands now? Somebody would be able to actually use that case should they want to?


Against one of the creature from Jekyll Island.

It gets even more convoluted than that. I have a case, I don’t have it at hand right here, but if anybody wants it, I can give it to them. The question was asked to the Supreme Court if Federal Taxation laws applied to corporations that were incorporated in the States and the Supreme Court said, “Yes, they do.” I wrestled with that for a long time because in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, it says that the legislative jurisdiction of Congress applies to Washington, DC and those places within each state that had been instituted to the Federal government for the purposes of erecting forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other buildings. It didn’t seem to me that the tax laws would apply down in the States and I couldn’t reconcile it too.

Until I was studying the words having to do with the definition of State and then it hit me. The Supreme Court, because they’re dealing with taxation, are using the definition within the Internal Revenue Code to define the word State, which if you’ll remember is Washington, D.C., the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, the territories of Alaska and Hawaii before they entered into statehood after 1960, Guam American Samoa. In that respect, that Supreme Court decision is absolutely true. If a company is incorporated in any of those places, the United States Tax Laws apply to them, but I believe that the United States Tax Laws do not apply to corporations that are incorporated in Texas, New York, California, Wyoming, Nebraska, whatever.

The next one I want to talk about is another Supreme Court decision and it’s Bowers v. Kerbaugh-Empire 271 U.S. 170 (1926). “Income” has been taken to mean the same thing as used in the Corporation Excise Tax Act of 1909, in the Sixteenth Amendment, and in the various revenue acts subsequently passed.” You’ll notice that the Income Tax Act of 1909 was a Corporation’s Excise Tax. That means it’s the tax on corporations for exercising a privilege. The term “excise” is synonymous with privileged.

Could they not common right?

No. There are many Supreme Court decisions that say that a State cannot tax a common right. It doesn’t say that the United States can, but I believe that the same sections or the same rulings that applied to the states also apply to the Federal Government because some of those things state that the power to tax is the power to destroy. The Federal Government does not have or should not have the power to destroy a right that’s given to you and I by God, by our Creator.

Let’s take this argument for just a moment, for the sake of argument. In 1913, the Federal Reserve was established and that was December 23, 1913. December 25th for the most part or majority of the legislature was gone. They were home with their families. There were a few of the swamp creatures that were milling around up there and they got the Federal Reserve passed. At that same time, they also got the IRS passed as far as enacted. The IRS was established in 1913 along with the Federal Reserve.

The thought is that as long as you’re using their currency, that’s for another show and for another time, but people think that when they get paid Federal Reserve notes and they have a $20 in their pocket, the assumption is that possession is nine-tenths of the law, but the reality is that note fits in your pocket is owned by Uncle Sugar. It is not owned by you. That’s why they can come in and take it. That’s why they can tax it. That’s why they can do whatever they want to because it’s their money. Now, cryptocurrency has come about and it’s like the old Eastern saying of, “Let the camel get his nose underneath the tent and before you know it, the whole camera will be inside your tent,” and that’s what’s getting ready to happen, I think.

Another case is Evans v. Gore,253 U.S. 245, “Does the Sixteenth Amendment authorize and support this tax and the attendant diminution; that is to say, does it bring within the taxing powers subjects theretofore excepted? The court below answered in the negative; and counsel for the government say: “It is not, in view of recent decisions, contended that this amendment rendered anything taxable as income that was not so taxable before.” The next one is Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co., 240 U.S. 103 and that says, “The Sixteenth Amendment conferred no new power of taxation upon Congress.”

That’s pretty clear, isn’t it?

Yes, it is. When you look at the Sixteenth Amendment although it uses terms like apportionment and enumeration, it tricks you into believing that it’s okay to tax direct taxes or direct income and obviously, it’s not. The Supreme Court time after time after time has said, “No, it’s not.” The Sixteenth Amendment refers only to indirect taxes.

All through these things that we’ve read over the years, we’ve seen the wordsmithing and the changing of the definition of a word. Then as you begin to grow up in America and you see all the television programming, because they’re programming these words into your mind, you automatically go along with this. That’s why it’s so important even though this may be very tedious, it’s very important that you understand the basic foundation of this.

Another term that we find in a lot of the laws is United States Person that’s found in 7701 Subsection (a) Subsection 30 of the Internal Revenue Code. The term “United States person” means—(A) a citizen or resident of the United States, (B) a domestic partnership, (C) a domestic corporation, (D) any estate (other than a foreign estate, within the meaning of paragraph (31) and (E) any trust if—(i) a court within the United States is able to exercise primary supervision over the administration of the trust, and (ii) one or more United States persons have the authority to control all substantial decisions of the trust. That’s a United States person.

Justin, the term ‘person’ appears to be all encompassing and includes just about everything. Does that rope us all in pretty tight?

It would appear to. Let’s look at what Section 7701 Subsection (2) says about person. It says, “The term ‘person’ shall be construed to mean and include an individual, a trust, estate, partnership, association, company or corporation.”

This is where you were talking about the statutory construction.

A trust, estate, partnership, association or company or corporation are fictitious entities. They are creations of the State. An individual would appear not to be a creation of the State. Well, it turns out it is. The term individual is not defined in the Internal Revenue Code, but it is defined in Title 5of the United States Code Section 552 (a) Subsection 2.It says “The term individual means a citizen of the United States or an alien lawfully admitted to permanent resident.”

Justin, another point of some confusion to the term citizen, we’re all taught we should be patriotic citizens and defend our country, etc. It appears that it’s the citizen who is liable for a lot of stuff. Can you explain that?

The definition of citizen is found in a couple of places. The first in the Fourteenth Amendment in Subsection (a) and it says that all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside. The trick here is the term “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” Black’s Law Dictionary, 6th Edition, page 244 defines citizen, “One who, under the constitution of the United States or a particular State, is a member of the political community, owing allegiance and being entitled to the enjoyment of full civil rights. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the State where they reside.”

It cites the Fourteenth Amendment as the authority for that definition. Another definition in the next paragraph in the same definition says, “Citizens or members of a political community who in their associated capacity have established or have submitted themselves to the dominion of the Government for the promotion of their general welfare and protection of their individual as well as their collective rights.” That was ruled in the case of Harriet versus City of Seattle, 81 Washington, 2d 48, and the Appellate was 500 P.2d191 at 109.

Justin, we’ve been schooled and told in one particular way, but I thought that the administration we’ve been taught as the government, I thought that they work for the people, but that says that citizens are member of a political community who in their associated capacity have established or have submitted themselves to the dominion of the government. That’s backwards. Getting back to the Fourteenth Amendment, instead of freeing the slaves, they basically made everybody a slave when they become a citizen.

It’s my understanding that civil rights are those rights that are granted by the Government as opposed to God’s rights or our Creator’s rights, which had been bestowed by our Creator. See the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence which reads, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

We are men and I used that term as in “mankind” as opposed to gender and as such are subject to the law of nature, sometimes called the common law, which simply put means that we have the right to do whatever we wish, whenever we wish, however we wish and wherever we wish. Just so long as we do not trespass on the rights of another, for as long as you don’t create an injury to somebody else, the natural law, God’s law says you could do pretty much what you want to do, anywhere you want to do it. The tricky thing is you can’t hurt somebody else. You can’t cause injury or loss to somebody else in doing that. When you do, you trespass on his right and you’re in violation. Another term I want to talk about is “withholding agent” and anybody who works for somebody else deals with a withholding agent.

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Taxation Of Cryptocurrency: It’s my understanding that civil rights are those rights that are granted by the Government as opposed to God’s rights or our Creator’s rights, which had been bestowed by our Creator.

The term “withholding agent” means any person required to deduct and withhold any tax under the provisions of Section 1441, 1442, 1443 or 1461. The Internal Revenue Code Section 1441 deals with withholding on tax on non-resident aliens. Internal Revenue Code Section 1442 deals with withholding tax on foreign corporations. Internal Revenue Code Section 1443 deals with foreign tax exempt organizations and Internal Revenue code 14 63 deals with the liability for withholding tax. Please tell me how that applies to the average American, the American national, not the citizen. The citizen is responsible for paying a tax, but the average Joe who is an American national. How do those sections apply to him? A withholding agent is the person who takes the money out of your paycheck for taxes, FICA, or whatever. You’ll see by these sections here that it doesn’t apply to them at all.

The next and last thing I want to talk about is the term “trade” or “business.” Frequently, in the Internal Revenue Code, they refer to trade or business. Title 26 Section 7701Subsection (a) Subsection 26, find a trader business. The term “trade or business” includes the performance of the functions of a public office. How is what you do related to the performance of the functions of a public office?

I didn’t know that we were in a public office.

They’re telling you, you are. When they use the term trade business, they’re saying that you’re in the performance of a public office when they try to rope you into that. Joseph, that’s all I have on this subject right now. There’s a lot more that we can get into, but that’ll do for another show.

Justin, as always have a wonderful evening and we’ll see you back here. Until then, I’m Joseph Farley and I’m Justin Allan Case.

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Government Cover Ups: A Tale Of Greed and Power within the Deep State with Cody Snodgres

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Assassinations, bombings, and international wars- what was the US Government’s real role behind these disasters. Former black ops asset turned liability, Cody Snodgres reveals information behind world altering events such as the assassination of JFK, Martin Luther King Jr., the Gulf War, the Oklahoma City Bombing, 9/11, and Benghazi. Cody heroically refused a mandate to bomb the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in a blatant attempt to destroy government records and investigation reports on some of the most horrifying manipulations of the deep state, including the truth behind the Gulf War Syndrome, anthrax, and arming Saddam Hussein covertly with ammo and biological weapons. Now, he shares this information with you.

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Government Cover Ups: A Tale Of Greed and Power within the Deep State with Cody Snodgres

Had they had those records, they would’ve had direct evidence enough to impeach Bill Clinton, not only impeach him, but try him criminally and convict him of multiple crimes. Everybody thinks, “That’s a good reason to blow up the Murrah Building.” That’s not the real reason.

What’s the real reason?

To do this, we’re going to have to go back for a little brief history so everyone will understand the context of why this real reason is. If you go back to the 1980s, Saddam Hussein was in Ba’th party and come to power over in Iraq. He was a paid CI asset just like Manuel Noriega was down in Panama. A lot of Americans don’t know that Saddam was on was our payroll. They got a war with Iran. Iran’s a much bigger country and had approximately a ten to one infantry advantage over Iraq. The US didn’t want their ally to be overrun, and so they covertly armed him. This happened in the Reagan administration. This book has a whole bunch of detailed names, dates, times.

We’re already with two primary forms of ordinates. One was a Hawkeye 123 sheet cluster bomb. They’re very efficient ground to air way of killing troops in mass. By getting them, we’re doing another covert op. They couldn’t tell Congress about it, and orders CIA to do this, so they stole our plans, the blueprints for those, to come down to Argentina. They had a front company there. To make a long story short, Zirconium is one of the elements that makes the Hawkeye work. It’s restricted element so they forged agricultural documents and stuff, and got the stuff shipped down there. Then they made the weapons and send them through North Africa to Saddam, and he kept them there in case Iran invaded them.

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Government Cover Ups: Saddam Hussein was a paid CI asset just like Manuel Noriega was down in Panama.

Second thing they did was give him biological weapons, which are very effective at killing troops in mass. The one they gave him was the Ames strain of anthrax. It was made in Fort Detrick, Maryland. It was a weaponized version of anthrax. The spore size was smaller and the protein coat had been altered on the spores genetically, so that it would be weaponized, be easily absorbable and more infectious. When the war was over with Iran, Saddam still had all these weapons. Some of them are stored at the KomaCI Iraq facility. Later on, Saddam invaded Kuwait. He turned from a CI asset to a CI liability just like me. The Saudis put a lot of pressure on our government because they were worried Saddam would go ahead and go down into Saudi Arabia, affect all the OPEC prices and their price-rigging schemes and everything.

We cooked up our op over here to go in what they call the Desert Storm, that was January 91. We had a problem. The White House and all of them had a secret. CI had secretly armed Saddam Hussein and people didn’t know about it over here. Our troops were fixing to go over there and take Saddam out. We had a six-month course of anthrax vaccine, standard program, one shot per month to develop immunity. We didn’t have time. We couldn’t wait around six months for our troops. What they did was highly illegal, it’s another cover up. They came up with a new anthrax shot, and they used in adjunct called squalene. It’s a long molecular group of fatty acid group. It’s basically shark oil. What an adjunct is, is a biological mechanism to increase auto immune function.

When you increase the auto immune function in the human being, viral adhesion occurs better. The antidote to the anthrax could adhere and what it boiled down to basically is that they got one shot in one month instead of six shots in six months. They waived FDA testing and signed an executive order, which made our troops guinea pigs. They unknowingly started receiving all these vaccines. The first lot of them went to Dover Air Force base. Down in the book we have lot numbers, we have all this stuff. BioPort was one of the companies that made the vaccine and so forth.

Our guys were getting all these weird shots and they started getting sick. They would later call it Gulf War syndrome, but there’s auto immune system dysfunction. They got over there in Theater. A lot of them are starting to already get sick, and then the second thing they did over there, it was the first war ever in history that we had used depleted uranium weapons. They’d been tested at Dugway Proving Grounds here in the states. The two primary formats of those weapons were the 30 millimeter chain guns with the depleted uranium rounds on the 18 warthog. Those are the tank busters we use, and then the M1A1 Abrams tanks.

Timothy McVeigh commanded one of those. His platoon commander was Nichols. They were over there in Desert Storm and McVeigh had bronze star, he had confirmed kills and so forth. Those rounds that are in there have about eight or nine-inch long tube of depleted uranium. They come out and real high kinetic energy about 5,200 feet per second, and have enough kinetic energy to take a T54 tank, that’s the Soviet tanks Saddam was using at the time. Their turrets were about 11 tons. One of our M1A1s hit those T54s,those turrets would fly up like a top in the air and make a huge fire ball, very high heat, very high energy. It’s something brand new that happened, and the Pentagon didn’t know about this.

What happened was there were brand new compounds molecularly being formed in the air. One was uranium oxide, uranium dioxide. The particulate size of these compounds were about four microns. You had all this radiation falling down in four microns. Our mop gear and our nuclear, biological, and chemical or NBC suits, and the filters on our gas mask, only went down to ten microns. These little particles, our troops were breathing all this stuff, and it was going past the filters. We were getting low-level radioactivity when it goes into the human body.

This stuff concentrates in two basic places, the thyroid gland and the ovaries if you’re a woman and the testicles if you’re a man, the reproductive organs. After our guys breathed all this stuff unknowingly and they got these weird anthrax shots that made them all sick, they started coming back to the states. When they got back to the States, everyone started getting sick. That’s the same thing, the Gulf War syndrome, they called it. That’s the name they gave it, but the Pentagon had to cover up all their defective mop gear. The first cover up was the fact that they had given Saddam covertly anthrax and they cooked up a new vaccine. This whole thing was a big cover-up.

After about several years, the VA hospitals start filling up civilian hospitals. These people had all these strange symptoms, radiation. 238 Uranium has a half-life of about four and a half million years. The Pentagon had a big problem brewing, just like the Agent Orange stuff from Vietnam. The men were coming back from that war with radioactive semen. When they made love to their wives, this stuff was transmitted into the ovaries of their wives, and from there to the children, from the children to the grandchildren, to the great grandchildren. They didn’t know how long this would be, how many generations this would go down.

The Pentagon would be on the hook for hundreds of billions, maybe hundreds of trillions in the long run of medical costs. Chris Shays, the Republican senator from Connecticut, was on the Armed Services Committee. He was tasked with giving some payment and determining medical culpability for all these sick veterans. The Pentagon didn’t want to admit about the DEU and they didn’t want to admit about the anthrax. Shays ordered FBI to gather all the medical records of approximately 480,000of our troops that had been in Theater over there in Desert Storm in Iraq. All those records, guess where they were stored?


In the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, just before it blew up. When those records went up, you couldn’t prove medically what was wrong with our guys. The Pentagon got off the hook. They had a huge medical problem on their hands. The Agent Orange that was sprayed in Vietnam to defoliate the highlands during the height of that war, that was an air force op called Operation Ranch Hand from 1969 to 1971, where they sprayed massive doses of that stuff. Later on, all our guys got sick. We work now on guys with Agent Orange stuff. It shows up 30, 40 years later. The Pentagon had this huge problem. They had inter-generational radioactivity and genetic deformities to deal with. How many children would be born deformed? How many generations down would this radiation be transferred from mother to son, son to grandson, and so forth? No one knew.

It’s the first time we ever used depleted uranium on a mass scale. According to Pentagon records, they used approximately 200 tons of it over there. Ten years after this happened in Iraq, all of this sand and the wind storms, they carry this stuff in the rain and everything in the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. Those rivers are used to irrigate the date crop. Americans don’t know most of them, but Iraq exports 26 or so kinds of date. They’re one of the biggest date exports. It’s a popular fruit over there like apples is here in the states. They irrigate those date crops with water out of the Tigris and Euphrates River. Ten years, all this radiation’s getting in the water, getting in the fruit, continues after this happened.

United Nations went into Baghdad and they did tests. They found a 600% increase in leukemia-type sicknesses amongst the children from 1991 to 2001, in one decade. There’s a lot of deformities of the Iraqi people, there’s poisoning, there’s all this secondary spinoff the Pentagon didn’t want anyone to know about. These records were all gone. Someone asked me, “How do you know those records were in Murrah Building, Cody?” I said, “I wasn’t there. I didn’t see them with my own eyes.” We have eyewitnesses seeing those records being pulled out, mass file cabinets of records being unloaded after the two bombs didn’t explode, and then later on in September 19th of 1996, the congressional hearings that were being held on Gulf War syndrome, because they were ongoing. Our guys just kept getting sicker and sicker as time went on. We have a copy of this in the book, in the appendix, the Department of Defense was there testifying to Congress. They’re trying to cover all this up, but they admitted at the hearing that over 400,000Gulf War Syndrome medical records had “disappeared.”

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Government Cover Ups: The United Nations went into Baghdad and found a 600% increase in leukemia-type sicknesses amongst the children from 1991 to 2001.

How many again?

400,000. There were 480,000 of our troops in over there. You got to remember what was happening back then. Our troops were coming home, and a lot of them got done with their hitches in the military, so they were going to civilian doctors, or they went overseas and lived somewhere. Some of them went to the VA. When Chris Shays, was sitting on the Armed Services Committee to determine how much money they were going to give in settlements to our gulf war guys and girls, he said, “We got to have the medical records first.”The FBI threw a tizzy, because they were tasked with going around to all of these places and gathering the records, and they couldn’t get them all. They didn’t have time. Some of these guys were still over Germany and different places.

They got approximately 400,000 out of the 480,000 which was pretty good, but then they “disappeared” because they were blown up in the Murrah Building. The ones that weren’t blown up, there are eyewitnesses. All that’s in the book too. There were teams that showed up when that Ryder truck detonated and then one bomb in the building went off, The other two didn’t, so they pulled everyone back on the perimeter. It pissed off all the doctors and nurses that had showed up to help people. The FBI kept them out and said, “You all stay out of here.” They didn’t want them seeing taking those records out. They went in and destroyed them somewhere. We have names, dates, times, eyewitness, all kinds of stuff in the book.

My book doesn’t have everything in it. Craig Roberts who was a Tulsa police detective was sent by the Tulsa Police Department down there at the time to investigate. This is massive cover up after massive cover up. The FBI needed the cooperation of the Oklahoma City Police Department to cover up this bombing. They did that by blackmail. The FBI had infiltrated the Tulsa Police Department and caught several of their officers dealing narcotics. They use that as a lever with black mail, and they told them, “If you guys help us cover this bombing up, then we won’t prosecute your cops.”That’s how that fix was in there. There’s a lot to cover here. We just scratched the surface of all this.

Cody, this book has so much detailed information in it. The evidence is overwhelming.

That’s why you people go, “Why did you do this like this? Is your book published?” I said, “This is a black ops book. You people don’t understand, you’re living in the vanilla civilian world. In my world, people get killed. People get murdered. People get blown up, and buildings like the Murrah Building.” I had to write this book and not tell anyone about it. Then I had to go out in public first and do the interviews, then worry about the book publishing later. If I had sent this book to any of these publishers here in America, they would have ratted me out to CIA, and I probably wouldn’t be talking to you right now. Our plan was to get this first through all these interviews and get exposure. If something happens to me and I’m murdered or I slip on a banana peel or I have a weird car wreck like Michael Hastings or I’m found in a park like Vince Foster and Seth Rich, and the list goes on and on, then you’ll know this information is true.

I’m going to my doctor again. Last month I went in and had full blood test before I started this project. I had full blood test. He’s been my doctor twenty some odd years. I said I’m coming public with this CI book and the Oklahoma thing. I expect I might be murdered, I might be killed or suicided. I had a full toxicology in case I’m found later with some drugs in my system, because that’s one thing they do. If they capture you, they’ll give you shots of drugs then kill you later so the forensic pathologist who does the autopsy will find the drugs in your system and use that as a cause of death. Do you understand me?

Yes, absolutely.

I know the Clinton’s game. The Clintons, they did it in Arkansas. I have several examples in the book when they were cleaning up that Central Rose op down there. Bill Clinton appointed the state medical examiner. Whenever the guys were all found murdered or suicide, the state medical examiner would always rule it a suicide. That’s how the Clintons got away with all their stuff. Those two people are satanic evil. Those two people are not what they appear to be. Bill Clinton hid behind the office of the President and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. The story about Benghazi, I have a guy that was there on the ground and got in the fire fight that night, you ought to hear their story. It’ll make your stomach turn when you hear what really happened, not all this crap they put out in the propaganda media. Bill and Hillary Clinton are criminals. They’re guilty of treason and sedition, and all kinds of stuff.

In this book, you lay this out that a prosecutor should be able to get an indictment and to give jail terms for a lot of people. I if they don’t, then it’s up to the American people to do something about this because you’ve exposed it. The American people no longer have plausible deniability.

Here’s what has happened here in a nutshell. I was a patriot of the United States. I was involved in black operations, some of which were illegal. Over in Central Rose in Arkansas, the President of the United States tasked the CIA Director to conduct those operations. The CI was forbidden by its charter to do domestic operations at that time, so that was illegal. After 2001 when the Twin Towers went down and the Patriot Act was put in effect, that gave CI the right to operate domestically here in the US, supposedly under the terrorism thing.

September 11th 2001. Bill and Hillary Clinton have looted this country. The evidence of it is everywhere. They conducted black ops for the CI to cover the Rose Law Firm, where Hillary ran. This stuff in the book has evidence that’s overwhelming. Bill Clinton was the first president ever in United States history, a lot of people know this, who when he got in office in ‘92, the very first thing he did was fire every single United States attorney in the entire country, and he put his own guys in there. It was his way to stock the DOJ. He put his own person in there. Hubbell was in there first and he had to resign. He got state charges down in Arkansas. Then they put Janet Reno, and Janet Reno was a cover up artist big time. I know this for a fact because one of my op buddies was a guy named Captain Glen Wilson. He’s deceased now.

He died of Agent Orange cancer, God bless his soul. He worked for the Defense Intelligence Agency for awhile, and I worked with him on some ops. Captain Wilson, when he got back from Vietnam later on, was head of Narcotics down in Dade County, Florida. That happened to be the time when Janet Reno was the district attorney there. Captain Wilson had coffee with Janet Reno almost every morning. They would go out at night and make all these narcotics bust. There was a big cocaine hub down there in the 1980s with all the dope coming through there. He would sit and they’d go over the reports and all the stuff the night before.

He told me straight to my face, he said, “Cody, you wouldn’t believe the number of times she said, “Let me see the drug evidence that y’all brought in last night.”They’d go down to a holding room and she would take out chunks of cocaine and chunks of heroin for her lesbian buddies.” He said that woman was so ugly, the only way she could get sex with women was to buy them with drugs. He also eye-witnessed her on several occasions when they brought in evidence after making bust and they’d find out that people were politically connected somehow, Reno would either order them to destroy the evidence or she’d just get rid of it herself. She was a cover-up artist big time back then.

When Clinton put her in the White House, then you have the cover up of Waco, cover up of Ruby Ridge Idaho, cover up of the Murrah Building. The fix was in. Clinton appointed all the US attorneys, like the one they gave me, Tom Strickland. Tom Strickland worked in a law firm where they got the principal worked for CIA and the counselor was sit. Our country has been taken over by a secret shadow government. They murdered John Kennedy, they murdered Robert Kennedy, they killed Martin Luther King, they blew up the Murrah Building, they blew up the Twin Towers, that whole thing’s a lie. This is ongoing. If we don’t stand up to this and expose it, we will lose our country. You mark my words. The United States of America will go away, and our children will be microchips, like dogs.

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Government Cover Ups: Our country has been taken over by a secret shadow government.

You’ve been all over the world. You’ve been vaccinated everything. You’ve seen a lot of things. What keeps the rest of the world from saying, “America, you’ve turned into a cesspool. You have pedophiles. You have drug dealers. You’ve been accused of all these different crimes, and the UN just invades us. What would keep that from happening? If rightfully so the rest of the world says, “There’s evidence has been presented to the people, and the people of America have done nothing, and justice needs to.”

It’s like what happened with Adolf Hitler in Germany. The same type of dark evil has reared its head again here in this country. I want to quote something here from Luke 12:2 because whether it’s Nazi Germany or Vietnam, all the opium in Afghanistan, or the Murrah Building and the Clintons, everything that is hidden will be found out, and every secret will be known. “Whatever I say to you in the dark, you must tell on the light. Don’t be afraid of people that can kill you, but they cannot harm your soul.” This is a spiritual battle, between the forces of light and darkness. It manifests in the people like Hitler. It manifests in the Murrah building. It manifests in the Twin Towers. What we people have done is we have lost our soul as a nation. My stepdad was at Pearl Harbor. He told me, he said, “Son, this nation changed after World War II.”

He would see Bill Clinton in the ‘90s on TV, and with disgust he’d turn off the TV and he’d get red-faced mad. He said, “This is not what I fought for. This is not what our men died for at Pearl Harbor and Guadalcanal. This man is a disgrace to the office of the presidency.” What we have allowed, we have allowed ourselves as Americans to be tricked, duped, and deceived by the dark forces, and people like Bill and Hillary Clinton are nothing more than little snot-nosed politicians that have no spine, no backbone. They have heart out. They looted the money from the American people, and then they hired out hit men to cover up all their crimes, and they belong in prison. I was a patriot this country and they threw me in supermax solitary confinement. They took out my mattress. They took away my clothes. I had no bond, no trial, nothing. They violated every right in the constitution to cover up their CIA crap.

It’s time that this comes out and it’s time that we stand up. If we don’t stand up as a nation and we don’t come together in the light, we will lose this country. Our children and our grandchildren are going to inherit a nightmare of new world order tyranny. I swear this is going to happen if we don’t do it now. Donald Trump’s trying to clean the swamp. He told Hillary, “You’re going to prison.” He has a big thing on his plate. I voted for Donald Trump. We have prayer groups that pray for him. If the man truly is trying to break up this shadow government and all with all these indictments, I’m all for it. If he can’t do it and he’s not strong enough, he’s just one man and he’s only a president.

In the deep state, presidents come and go. The deep state remains underneath that. The international bankers, the arms trade, and the international drug trade, those things control a lot of things behind the scenes. Leaders like Tony Blair over in London and Obama or whoever here, they’re just the puppets of these higher powers. It’s a big thing. It’s a snake. It’s an octopus with many tentacles. If we can identify some of these false flag, show the patterns, at least the sleeping American people can start to wake up to this evil that’s been going on.

Justin, do you have any questions for Cody?

He had about hit everything that I can think of. There’s so much more going on here from him and I hope we can do another interview with you.

We need to do Benghazi and what really happened in Benghazi. I had an ex-marine corps guy that quit and was a CI contractor. He whispered in my ear that he signed up point-specific or mission-specific non-disclosure agreement. He can’t talk about what happened in Benghazi and I cannot use his name, but I can tell you what he told me right in my ear. This story will make your stomach turn about what really happened there. I got mad when I heard it.

What’s the short-term game plan? Do you have anything as far as in Washington? Do you have people that are working on things to say, “Here’s the facts. Here’s all the evidence. You have 90 days, you have six months. If you don’t do it, somebody else will.”

We’ve had some people that have contacted press secretary. He’s from South Carolina. He’s done a lot of stuff. We’ve also mailed some stuff to Donald Trump and over to Vladimir Putin in Moscow. We have some people working on those things. These men are extremely busy. It’s difficult to get to them, but we think that at some point, we’ll be able to do this. The stuff I send out to civilian press guys like you, we don’t put the stuff that I sent, like to Trump and Putin. I told them that I would come testify under oath and take any kind of lie detector test they wanted, as long as it was not doctored by the CI in some back room. I would go to Moscow and testify whatever to the Russians because it’s a way to get the records out.

Our government is so corrupt, they stacked the deck like Clinton. He fired every single United States attorney in the Justice Department. They knew what they were doing in Arkansas, and they knew there would be blow-back later like the White Water. They stacked the deck, then he appointed the US Attorney General and that was Janet Reno. This whole thing was stacked to cover up their crimes. The Clintons are masters at it. Hopefully we can get somewhere and get some traction. When I testify, what they’ll do is seal it all. The only way you can really do this is go out to the American people on shows like yours and try to get the truth out. If I stay alive long enough, maybe something will get done, but I can’t do it alone. I’m just one guy. We need to all stand together in the light. If we don’t stand up, we’re going to lose this country.

Let’s talk about donating to your cause here. I noticed that on one of the sites where I was able to buy the book, that you have a Bitcoin on there and there’s several different ways to donate to you while those avenues are still open. Can you talk a little bit about that?

We have two websites. One of them is here in the states, but it’s having tech issues now. It had a donate thing on it. The other one over in Europe is that They have a donation thing on that website. Here’s what happened just recently. This is amazing. I was sitting here and it was dark nights ago. I live in an extremely rural area, four feet to the National Forest and this little cabin. Uploads this truck at night. Nobody ever comes out here, it’s really rural. It was a UPS truck. He honked, and I know the driver. He said, “We got this special delivery.” I said, “Okay.” He gave it to me and it was an envelope, a big 8.5×11 Manila thing full of cash. I looked at it and I immediately dropped it. I went and put on plastic gloves and got my magnifying glass because I thought it’d have anthrax in it. You know how they do that after 9/11. You all know about the anti.


Right when they were voting on the 9/11 thing, the Patriot Act, several senators and staff open their mail in DC and there was white powder, Bush and Cheney and all of them. I’ve got a suit here that Dick Cheney had his hands on while he was a secretary of defense. They scare them all with the anthrax here so they’d vote for the Patriot Act. What’s the first thing you do when you open up? When someone sends you a cash, what’s the first thing you do? You dump it out and you start counting, see what it is, how much it is, right, you get your hands on it. In my black ops world, my training, my first thing was to drop it and not touch it. It’s the opposite of what everyone does in the civilian world. Our world is opposite of what everyone does and think. That’s how we stay alive. I checked it real close to make sure it didn’t have any dust or particles of anthrax, because that’s one way the CI could kill me to shut me up and this book, send me an envelope of cash way out here in the mountains and then they find me the next morning dead out here.

You have to get on the ticket with what we’re dealing with here. These people murder people. They murdered 168 men and women in the Murrah Building. They don’t think of nothing about blowing up two or 300 people to cover up their scams about anthrax and about Gulf War syndrome. 54 were dead and 21 children dead down at Waco. Mickey Weaver up at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, she walked outside that cabin holding her six-month old baby and she was shot right through the neck while holding a six-month old baby. The sniper that supposedly did it was a guy named Lon Horiuchi. He was in Sniper Nest Number Seven, down at Branch Davidian Compound. I worked with these people. I know these people. They’re the dirtiest, lyingness pieces of trash. There’s a lot of good ones too. There’s good ones and bad ones in the FBI, the DEA, Justice Department. We have to filter out this ugly evil or else it’s going to win.

Next time might be if get a chance, I want to be able to talk about Waco, 9/11, Benghazi. There is so much.

I’m bursting at the seams. You’ve got to hear the stories. Timothy McVeigh was at Waco. They put a microchip in his rear covertly. It was the Lockheed Martin Beast battle engagement area simulator tracker new satellite system. They were field testing in Iraq. The Waco’s family were security officers. They sent them special forces. CI tried to recruit them out of there. We got letters he wrote to his sister, Jennifer. The American people don’t know any of this stuff. It’s going to take another hour or two just to go through it all. It’s an amazing story. The Benghazi thing is about 20 to 30 minutes of talking to tell you exactly what happened. It will make your stomach turn what Hillary Clinton and Obama did there. It deals with Gaddafi’s gold. There’s a bunch of gold bullion and arms from Russia.

We’ll get on this. We’ll get this information out and just start pressing it out there and see what we get done. Cody, thank you so much for joining us. God bless you. We pray for your safety. Stay strong.

Yes, sir. I will. Thank you very much.

We’ll be in touch. Thank you.


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About Cody Snodgres

JFS 005 | Oklahoma City BombingFor over 20 years, I was an Independent Contractor (IC), specializing in sensitive, covert assignments, as well as bodyguard work. In 1994 I was given the task to blow up the Alfred P. Murray building in Oklahoma City. This job came from an x-US military man, who told me he worked covertly for CIA. I refused on moral grounds. My strong opposition to attacking U.S. citizens on our own soil changed my status from a CIA asset into a liability, a private, Independent Contractor who “knew too much”.


Breaking The Silence About The Oklahoma City Bombing with Cody Snodgres

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Cody Snodgres is a former asset for the CIA black ops who recently wrote a book and revealed the secrets behinds the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building bombing in Oklahoma City in April of 1995. He discloses everything he knows about the conspiracy surrounding the bombing and the government’s dire efforts to cover up the true reasons behind it. Robert claims to have been tasked to carry out the procedure and his refusal turned him from being an asset to a liability. Being one of the whistle blowers on the case, Robert recounts his experiences and knowledge about the events that led up to the devastating bombing and the agonies he’s had to endure, including being framed, serving time in the Federal Correctional Institute, and the attempts to eliminate him. Cody documented everything in his book and hopes to be alive to complete his project.

America has a lot of issues and a lot of problems. The best way of communicating this would be to go back to an old story that was in the Bible in I Samuel Chapter 8. This is a great story because it tells exactly where we are today. Let me share with you this story, and I invite you to read this several times. In this story there are a lot of principles that are parallel to America’s society.

It came to pass when Samuel was old that he made his sons judges over Israel. Now the name of the first was Joel, and the name of the second was Abijah. They were judges in Beersheba, and his sons walk not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre and took bribes and preferred judgment. Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together and came to Samuel under Ramah, and said unto him, “Behold, thou are old, and thy sons walk not in our ways. Now, make us a king to judge us like all the nations.” 

The thing displeased Samuel, when they said, “Give us a king to judge us,” and Samuel prayed unto the Lord, and the Lord said unto Samuel, “Hearken unto the voice of the people, and in all that they say unto thee, for they have not rejected thee, but they haven’t rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the days that I brought them up out of Egypt. Even unto this day, where with they have forsaken me and have served other gods, so do they also onto thee. Now therefore hearken into their voice, albeit yet protest solemnly under them, and show them the manner of the kings that shall reign over them.”

Samuel told all the words of the Lord unto the people that ask of him a king and he said, “This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you. He will take your sons and point them for himself, for his chariots, and to be as horsemen. They shall run before his chariots, and he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties, and we’ll set them to ear his ground and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war and instruments of his chariots.

He will take your daughters to be confectioneries and to be cooks and to be bakers. He will take your fields and your vineyards and your olive yards, even the best of them and give them to his servants, and he will take the tenth of your seed, and have your vineyards and give to his officers and to his servants, and he will take your men servants and your maid servants and your goodliest young men and your asses, and put them to his work.

He will take the tenth of your sheep and ye shall be his servants, and ye shall cry out in that day of your king which you have chosen you, and the Lord will not hear you in that day.” Nevertheless, the people refuse to obey the voice of Samuel and they said, “Nay. We will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations, and that our king may judge us and go out before us and fight our battles,” and Samuel heard all the words of the people and he rehearsed them in the ears of the Lord, and the Lord said to Samuel, “Harken under their voice, and make them a king.”Samuel said unto the men of Israel, “Go ye every man unto his city.”

Samuel knew at that point in time it was over and that the people wanted a king, but God did not want them to have a king. God wanted to be their king. They wanted a man to be their king, and a man to go out and fight their battles. God never set that up. God never established that from the beginning. God never established government as we’ve been led to believe that we have from the beginning. God always wanted for people to be responsible for themselves, to take responsibility, to do the right thing, to live honorably before him. When America was first born, and we came from Europe, America wanted to get away from the king. America wanted to serve God. America wanted to establish their own society.

They were tired of the tyranny. There were 56 men that placed their lives on the line. John Hancock, being one of them, signed his name the largest. There were great men in that day with wonderful quotes of Samuel Adams and Patrick Henry. One of the best quotes from Samuel Adams that I really love is this, “If you love wealth greater than liberty, and tranquility of servitude greater than the animated contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands that feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

There are three primary organizations in our culture that had been devastating for humanity. These three have been designed to overthrow America. These three organizations will resonate with you when I mention what they are. They are attorneys, doctors, and priest or religion. We’ve all heard that if you need to find out something about the law, don’t do your own research. No, go ask an attorney. If you need to find out about health and what’s good for your body, you better ask a doctor, because they know. If you need to get to God, don’t read your Bible. It will only confuse you. You better go ask a priest. People have always desired not to be responsible for themselves. Plausible deniability is human nature.

God never set that up from the beginning. The church and religion will tell you that you need to obey authority. I agree with that, you do need to obey authority. The problem is they don’t know who the authority is. I would submit to you that the authorities are not in Washington DC, or in our capital of Austin, Texas, or in your capital, wherever you are. Those are not the authorities. They have shiny badges and guns, and they come out and take authority just like the Romans did. It’s a Babylonian system. That’s why they act like that, and the main reason that they act like that is because we the people allow them to act that way, because we’d much rather watch football, baseball, basketball, we’d much rather be entertained. While we’re being entertained, we are slowly losing our country.

In I Timothy Chapter 2, it says, “I exhort you therefore, that first of all, supplications, prayer, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, for kings and for all that are in authority. That we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God, our savior, who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and man, Jesus Christ, who gave himself a ransom for all to be testified in due time, where unto I am ordained a preacher and an apostle. I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not, a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. I therefore, that men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands without wrath and doubting.”

You say, “Joseph, what does this have anything to do with cryptocurrency?”. A lot of people have been turned off by God because of this right here. They see the injustice that happens in the administration. It doesn’t matter whose administration. It’s happened for a hundred years plus in the administrations. It started in 1933 when FDR set up the agencies. FDR basically set up their own little fiefdoms, their political subdivisions of the United States government. One of the definitions for the United States government is found in Title 28 USC 300215(A). It’s the definition of what the United States is, and it says the United States is a federal corporation.

Underneath that corporation are all the state corporations, political subdivisions. When the people figure out how bad they’ve been misled and lied to, there’ll be a change in America. People will take back their country that belongs to them. People will be involved on the other side of the fence. Let’s look at it from the bureaucrats’ standpoint. They’re trying to run their particular department. The people are not engaged. The people have a real attitude when they deal with anybody in the administration, so I understand both sides of it. We could start off anew and say this, “I repent for being lazy and not being involved in this administration.”

That’s why we’ve started the Joseph Farley Show to cover cryptocurrency. That’s why we’re going to have some interviews with people that are absolutely amazing. We’re also going to uncover and dig for congressional documents that will prove without a shadow of a doubt that the Federal Reserve is an absolute fraud, along with the IRS. Let me clarify that. What you have been led to believe is the Federal Reserve is not. It’s not federal and there are no reserves. Congress back in 1913 established both of them. They were both established during Christmas break in 1913.

Prior to the Federal Reserve being established, they, the off-shore bankers, went around and set up organizations in all the different states that later became Chamber of Commerce once the Federal Reserve Act was passed in 1913. At the end of this show, if you’ll register and sign up, we’ll send you the documentation of the Banking Act. A lot of people don’t even know where to find it. We have the documentation. We’ve gone through it, and we’re going to give you our notes that we’ve taken on this document.

Let me go back to 1 Timothy Chapter 2, Verse 1. “I exhort you there for that first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men.” I think you should do that every day, it’d be very good to do. Pray for your neighbor, pray for the people that are in administration, for kings, and for all that are in authority. There are two different offices in God’s kingdom. One is a king and the other is a priest. Let me tell you the easiest way to remember who the priests are, the five-fold ministries as it were. If you’ll take your left hand, start with the thumb, you have the apostle, the prophet, the evangelist, the middle finger, the pastor, the ring finger, and the teacher, the pinky. That’s the five-fold ministry. Those are considered to be priest. Who are the kings? The kings are you. Did you know that God made you a king? He did. Revelations Chapter 1, Verse 5, is where it tells you. It also tells you throughout the Old Testament and the New Testament.

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Oklahoma City Bombing: People don’t like responsibility because it’s much easier to have no responsibility and belly ache about what goes on in your administration.

I’ll just read Revelations Chapter 1, Verse 5. “From Jesus Christ who is a faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the Prince of the Kings, the Earth, unto him that loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood, and has made us kings and priests unto God his father. To him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.” Now you’re a king. Now you’re responsible. People don’t like responsibility because it’s much easier to have no responsibility and belly ache about what goes on in your administration. Here’s a little rule. If you don’t get involved, you don’t have a voice.

If you want to whine and cry about your administration and you’re doing nothing, that’s not going to go real well. The reason that I wanted to share this intro with you is that the Federal Reserve is owned by off-shore bankers. It’s not even owned by our administration. Is cryptocurrency going to be the mark of the beast? Is it going to be all these horrible things? It might, but there could be a very strong case to be made that you’re already in the mark of the beast. Do you have a social security number? Yeah. Do you buy things with the dollar, the all-seeing eye, the Illuminati? Yeah.

The gentleman that you’re getting ready to hear has an amazing story. There’s a lot of people that would say it’s a conspiracy theory. Here’s the problem with that. It is a conspiracy, there’s no doubt about that, but theory, no, it’s a fact. When you understand about Trading with the Enemy Act and you figure out that you are the enemy, it may change your view about how this administration is done. One man cannot drain the swamp alone. What’s happened in Washington, DC has been going on for decades upon decades upon decades. This started in 1789 and we have the documentation to be able to show you.

Each show that we do on the cryptocurrency, we’re going to release a document. If you’ll sign up, if you’ll become a member and fill out your information, we’ll send you a document. Each show we’ll send you a document, until you unsubscribe. My prayer is that we’re able to give you some great information, and to open your eyes about money. Why is money important? Some of you spend 50, 60, 70, 80 hours a week working for it. Wealth is a state of mind. Riches are a state of mind. If you only knew how rich you really were throughout this broadcast, I hope to drop nuggets along the way to show you how rich you really are. Don’t forget to sign up for your free information.

Our guest is Robert Cody Snodgres, who was a contact operative for the CIA for many years. After spending over twenty years involved in black op, the next 22 years were filled with silence, death threats, and being wrongfully sent to federal prison after being framed with false evidence by the nation’s top cop. Cody asked for help to get a secret out to the American people, a truth that has been long buried concerning the cover up of the Oklahoma City bombing. His goal was and is to wake up the American people by exposing judicial corruption and to reveal the reason for and explain how this corruption works.

In early October 1994, Cody was offered a black operations job by CIA contractor Harold Leonard, who is now deceased, for $1 million cash, which involved blowing up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. After having nearly twenty years as an independent contractor, CIA asset and bodyguard, Cody refused this job offer on patriotic grounds. That refusal transformed Cody from a CIA asset into a CIA liability. He was then warned to leave the US by his handler, who was an ex-special forces Vietnam veteran, who before his assassination in Guatemala City by the CIA, also hired Cody as a bodyguard for Green Beret Staff Sergeant Barry Sadler. The true story of the Oklahoma City bombing after 22 years of silence is detailed in Choosing the Light: Dark Secrets the Oklahoma City Bombing, which took him four and a half years to write.

Years later in 1999 during ATF, DEA undercover operations Stingray, Cody told ATF agent Blake L. Boteler in confidence about his Oklahoma City bombing operation offer, CIA covert ops in Arkansas with Bill and Hillary Clinton, as well as very high level pedophile operations involving people like George Bush, Sr., ex-director of Central Intelligence. Unfortunately, Cody was betrayed, and that conversation was secretly taped. Five months later, he was framed and arrested by Boteler, who had been an ATF agent involved at the Murrah building the same day it was bombed at the Waco, Texas Branch Davidian shootout, and at the Randy Weaver Ruby Ridge murders. Recorded tapes of these incidents were caused to illegally disappear by the CIA so that they couldn’t be produced through discovery at Cody’s trial and to prevent evidence of treason, which was committed in the bombing of the Murrah building, drug trafficking, and illegal pedophile sex rings.

During his arrest and imprisonment, CIA agents ask Cody direct questions about then president Bill Clinton. He was ordered held without bond by the Chief Judge of the Federal Tenth Circuit, Edward Nottingham, nominated by George Bush ,Sr., even though he had a perfect clean record, no drugs or violence, on this case. In over four and a half years, he was never even allowed a motions hearing.US attorney Tom Strickland, who was appointed by President Bill Clinton, conspired with judge Nottingham, members of the CIA, and President Bill Clinton, to silence Cody and squash his case.

ATF Agent Boteler was awarded the nation’s Top Cop Award by Vice President Al Gore and US Attorney General Janet Reno in Washington, DC, for framing Cody with planted evidence, committing perjury to the grand jury, etc., in order to silence him. Cody has about 20,000 of documents, ATF, DEA tapes, counter-surveillance pictures, etc. as evidence. This true untold story is an amazing account of high-level corruption, conspiracy, murder, and cover up of the Oklahoma City bombing, intelligence agency drug dealing, cover up of the Iraq wars, Gulf War syndrome, and pedophiles, with Judge Nottingham himself later having to resign in a sex scandal.

The CIA, DEA, FBI, ATF, and IRS all hit him together. The IRS filed a $37,500 tax lien against him two days after his arrest. Cody had been the biggest class three machine gun/ silencer dealer in Colorado with an absolutely perfect record with no ATF violations. After spending four and a half years in a futile attempt to get critical evidence into a federal court to expose the corruption, he was struck and nearly killed by a freak auto pedestrian accident a few days before the scheduled hearing. After writing a letter to the Tenth Circuit US Attorney’s office about CIA, DEA, ATF, and judicial corruption, and President Bill Clinton’s ties to the CIA and drug trafficking, Cody was granted closed meeting in the US Attorney’s office that he was able to covertly record.

He still has copies of the tape of that meeting. Without even having a traffic ticket on his record, Cody was then put into supermax solitary confinement and held indefinitely without bond. His cell was only a few cells down from that of Timothy McVeigh. Until recently, his story has been silenced by direct verbal death threats from the CIA personnel which threatened both Cody and his family. These threats evolved into a falsely planted evidence against him, conspiracy, perjury to the grand jury, then years in prison, the murder of several key witnesses, fake tax liens by the IRS, and conspiracy to construct justice in our nation’s highest levels.

Cody solemnly declares that he will not commit suicide, but he is still nervous about CIA deep state, as this book also reveals with high level CIA mind control black ops programs, in which he personally participated and which he had barely survived. Cody request that if you are interested in helping him to expose the hidden truths or in helping to find a not already corrupted by CIA deep state publisher, then please contact him, Robert Cody Snodgres at 453 Topaz Road, Lake George, Colorado 80827. His phone number is 719-748-1493, and he can be reached through email at He has CD copies of his book, formatted in Adobe Six Reader, and we’ll send if requested. He states that he hopes to stay alive to complete this project.

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Breaking The Silence About The Oklahoma City Bombing with Cody Snodgres

Cody, we downloaded your book. This book is amazing. You could attach a cover page to it as an indictment and you’d have it right there. That is the most amazing book I’ve ever read in my life. In the book, I wanted to go back to the first page. Do you want to tell our audience a little bit about the disclaimer before we get started?

About that PDF, we just got that up over in Europe. We have a site there and another site here in the States. We expect they’re going to hit our PayPal pretty soon and shut us down, this is typical black state stuff. To get that PDF, it’ real simple. People can go to The disclaimer that we always do before we ever talk about any of this so we don’t violate any laws, is we state the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act, which is the IIPA, US Code Title 50 Sections 421 and 426, which states the disclosure of a US government operative’s identity is illegal only if it’s done intentionally and with knowledge that the government is still actively maintaining a cover for such operative. We do that because you may recall back in 2013 of January, there was John Kiriakou who is a CI case officer, and he was exposing the RDI program for the CI that’s the rendition, detention, and interrogation program, with all abuses in Guantanamo Bay and stuff. He inadvertently gave out and activated his name, and so they hammered him and gave him 30 months in prison. That’s one of their ways to shut people up. That’s the standard disclaimer that we always do.

Cody, there is so much information in this book. Since you’ve come out with this, you’ve been on national shows and your phone has literally just been ringing off the hook with different show line ups. Can you go over this false flag type scenario and just cover a little bit about the false flags before we get into the Oklahoma City bombing, and how they’re set up and why they’re set up.

False flags are things that a particular government set up. It’s done to cover up something they don’t want anyone to know about or do an operation they don’t want anyone to know about that, that they’re the ones behind it. The false flag means you run up the other guys flagging, you lay it off on North Korea or you lay it off on whoever. All these operations, there’s been a string of them. This whole thing is about the spiritual forces of darkness and the spiritual forces of light. The false flags are dark black operations. They’re designed to deceive, to trick, to create fear and chaos, because fear and chaos fragment our mind and they keep us out of connection with our higher self. They fragment our consciousness and they make us easier to control, which is one of the psy ops, the psychological operations, behind false flag. My associate over in Europe, Ole Dammegard, he’s been doing it for 30 years and he’s got vast knowledge of many different false flag.

When you start stripping them down and you get past all the things and you look at the underlying pattern, it’s a pretty standard model that intelligence agencies have whether it’s the KGB, CIA, or MI6, Israeli Mossad. I trained with some Mossad agents over in Tokyo briefly. Every intelligence agency, when they want to conduct something in secret and they want to fool everybody, the false flag is their old tried and true thing. What we’re doing in this book here, talking about the Oklahoma City bombing, that’s just one of them, but it ties in to the bigger ones like President John Kennedy. I was there in Dallas that day, November 22nd of 63. I was a little kid back then, but then his brother Robert, Sirhan Sirhan, was supposed to be assassinated, Martin Luther King. You go through all these events up to 9/11. There’s patterns involved, and there’s bombing Jakarta, Indonesia, over at the Sheffield thing in London there. These patterns are all the same, so that’s what false flags are. They’re designed to do something, like assassinate somebody, and then lay it off on someone else. It’s one of their old tried and true tricks to deceive people.

I was shocked when I read about Martin Luther King. I never heard the story as far as what happened. I don’t think a lot of people have ever heard that story of what happened in 1999. Could you tell a little bit about that?

After the King family had a civil suit and there was all this evidence had been presented later. They won the case, proving that Martin Luther King, that there was covert US government operatives involved in his assassination, and all the details, dates, names, times, all that stuff’s in the book. The judge awarded them a dollar or something for damages, which is ridiculous. My stepfather, Sergeant Jimmie Howard, was at Pearl Harbor on December 7th of ‘41 the day the attack came, and the 25th Infantry Division he was in Guadalcanal, November ‘42. My uncle was at Battle of the Bulge in the Ardennes forest over there fighting Hitler. I love my country and I hate to say all this, but our court systems become so incredibly corrupt and most of the corruption is hidden. That’s what part of this book is doing.

The Martin Luther King thing’s another example of that. The judge gave them a dollar. They had evidence and witnesses coming forward that his assassination was directly related to cover elements within our own government. Robert Kennedy, his assassination by Sirhan Sirhan. Sirhan Sirhan was a CI mind controlee. Dr. Jolyon West, he was MKUltra doctor for the CIA. That’s one of their mind control programs in the ‘60s. He ended up showing up at the Murrah Building bombing. Afterwards, he was sent down there to assess the psychological damage, and so these same patterns, same people show up again and again through these attacks and these false flags.

If you can get into the story about Oklahoma City bombing and what took place there.

When I was offered that job, I was toward the end of my operational effectiveness. I’d began around 1974 and I trained in martial arts for over twenty years. I’ve been involved in a lot of different things, over the entire operation there in Arkansas with Bill and Hillary Clinton, and all this stuff in Nicaragua and all that. I’ve been hurt a lot. In 1991, I died in the hospital. I had to be shocked back twice in Project Slammer. By ‘94 when they offered me that job, I knew it was a patsy job immediately and I knew that they were going to kill two birds with one stone and get rid of me in the patsy operation. Two days after they offered me that job, my handler, Duke Flaglier, he’s Special Forces in Vietnam with Barry Sadler and Barry Seal and all those guys.

They took their training together at Fort Benning, 20th Special Forces Group 1963 before they were deployed over there. He called me and he said, “You need to leave the country.” I said, “Why?” He said, “You have operational knowledge about an op that’s just going to go off.” He offered me the keys to his house in Belize and said “We’ll stage you out of there later.” The Oklahoma City bombing, Harold Leonard had called me and we met in a rural area under the tree canopy. They’re worried about satellites and all kinds of stuff. He had a purple black backpack with about half a million in cash in it. He said, “We’ve got a job for you.” I said, “What country we’re going to?” I figured it was probably Saudi Arabia because we’d had some job offers over there for $50,000. It was a six-month lock in on a job to bodyguard some of those rural families, kids, and stuff, because they’re always worried about kidnapping for ransom, standard deal in the Middle East.

I said, “Where are we going?” He said, “No. It’s here in the states.” I said, “What kind of job is it?” He said, “It’s an EOD job, explosives demolition.” I said, “What’s the target?” He says, “A building.” I said, “What kind of building?” “It’s a federal building.” I said, “Which one?” He said, “The Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building.” This was October ‘94, about six months before it actually went up. I had severe PTSD by this time. I’d several broken bones, broken ribs, head injuries, spinal cord damage, nerve damage, all kinds of stuff. I was drinking heavily at the time to cover my PTSD. I was having dreams at night, waking up kicking, screaming, and stuff. I said, “No. You guys are going too far this time. This is our country. I don’t mind going overseas and doing this stuff, but there’s no way I’m going to do this to our own American people.” That’s the point where I turned from an asset to a liability.

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Oklahoma City Bombing: This is our country. I don’t mind going overseas and doing this stuff, but there’s no way I’m going to do this to our own American people.

After the bombing went off April 19th of‘95, I left the country for awhile. I staged down between Tulsa and Oklahoma City to some of the old safe houses we had down there during this CI op Central Rose where we were moving all the arms and stuff down to Nicaragua. There were three ops there at the time. There were multiply nested ops and it’s under the same umbrella. Central Rose, Jade Bridge, and Screw Worm where the code names. When I was offered that job for $1 million, he said, “Half a million now. Half when it’s done,” I knew it was a patsy job. The hackles on the back of my neck went up. I wanted out any way. I couldn’t do this anymore. The light of my soul was just being crushed out with all this black stuff. On that op, they say that Timothy McVeigh pulled up in a Ryder truck, the lone bomber, which is like the lone assassin with John Kennedy in Dallas and Oswald.

I stood right where Oswald supposedly stood in the sixth floor of the Texas Book Depository ten years after that assassination, and I looked out and there is absolutely no way he can make that shot. There’s Texas live oak tree block the whole view. You look up one way on Elm and Main Street, you look up that one lane and it’s perfect shot, but the shot that was taken, there’s no way to do that. That was a patsy op too. We start seeing these same patterns. That’s what McVeigh was in Oklahoma City. He supposedly was going to pull up in that truck and detonate that bomb, and that’s what he believed, but the building had already been pre wired and that’s how I would’ve done it, had I taken the job. I would have pre-wired the building and then I’d had the patsy pull up and detonate both sets of charges at the same time so that everything will be laid off on the lone bomber guy, but that didn’t work.

Two of the bombs did not go off. One was in the daycare center and there was eyewitnesses that saw it. One was Terry Yeakey, he was an Oklahoma City police officer down on Northwest Fifth Street there in his patrol car. He went running. He was the first responder. He saved several people bleeding from the broken glass. He went into the daycare center, saw the unexploded ordinate, and he began his own investigation later on. He was told to shut up, and finally he was murdered. They found him all cut up and tortured. All the files that he had been accumulating was gone. That’s a whole another story. There’s so many stories in this book with date, times, and everything.

Didn’t he rely on two other people that had sets of documents?

One of them was his wife, Tanya Yeakey. They had separated briefly and reconciled. She had some documents and they were down in one of the banks down there in Oklahoma City in a safe deposit box. Once he saw those bombs, he started his own investigation. What the Feds had to do was when those bombs didn’t go off, they had to pull everyone back out of the perimeter. People were laying there bleeding to death. The Feds didn’t care, they sent a team in to get the files. The reason these buildings were blown up was because of all these files. They had to remove them. Yeakey saw a lot of that stuff and he had kept investigatory files. The other guy that had a copy of them was Dr. Don Chumley, one of his friends. When they got spooked towards the end and they were trying to hide all their notes and stuff from the Feds, Dr. Don Chumley took off on a single engine plane to take the files somewhere and his plane crashed.

That was the same exact day that Terry Yeakey was found out in the field. He had multiple cuts, contusions, he’d been shot in the head. That whole story’s in the book with all the dates, times, and everything. When Tanya came over a wire that a police officer had been found shot, she went down to bank to get the files out. When she got there, they told her that the FBI had just been in there, broke into the safe deposit box and took the files under national security. That was another part of the cover up to this. I’ve got letters sent to me from people that don’t want to talk on the phone or afraid to use email or any kind of electronic communications. I’ve had letters here just in the last week of people that were first responders, medical responders, and they don’t want their names used because they have families. They wrote me a handwritten letters saying that they were there and they saw all kinds of things. We don’t use our sources out unless we have permission. Some people say, “You can put my name. You can put the dates and times.” Other people say,” I don’t want my name on it at all.”

What we’re trying to do is backtrack and find out exactly the real things that happened. Had I been doing that job, I would’ve done the same thing. I would’ve had a patsy that was expendable, an ex-military cut out, that’s a general thing, to take the fall, and then the buildings were pre-wired and then I’ll have an observation post up on one of the other bank buildings or the OG&E Building, Oklahoma Gas and Electric. I’d be watching and I would’ve had the detonations timed simultaneously. There’s a problem when you pre-wire a building. I would have used C4 which has a detonation rate of 26,000 feet per second, 92%RDX and 8% plastic fillers. I’d use a standard M7 with US military blasting caps. They take about 3.2 volts to set the charge off. What you have to do is pre-wire the building, and you have to do it close enough to the time, when all of this is supposed to be scheduled with your patsy cover up.

You have to be careful because in a civilian environment like that where people had cell phones, there were radio stations, and TV stations downtown Oklahoma City, a lot of those buildings had antennas and satellite dishes on top. You would have to keep those caps shut, because if you open the leads on an M7 electric blasting cap, there can be secondary RF currents induced. That means radio frequency currents from, say TV stations or radio stations that can cause currents to move in those wires which can pre-detonate the cap. If they’d had done that, they would’ve had that thing blow up at the wrong time by accident. What it would require is ground teams to first place the stuff in there, and then have a detonation system, and then activate it just before the patsy arrived, and that’s why the two bombs didn’t explode. Now we met another guy up here named Cary James Gagan. He was a CI asset. He told me the story straight to my face.

I met him in supermax after they planted me with the evidence. They had all of us in there. Everyone that had anything to do with this op on the patsy level, it was me, Gagan, Tim McVeigh. I was three cells down from McVeigh. Nichols got sentenced first, he got locked down here in Florence prison, the FCI there, Federal Correctional Institute. Gagan told me the story that three days before the Murrah Building went up, this was the 16th of April of 1995, he got a call from his CI handler and said, “We need you to move a load of stuff, ordinates, somewhere.” He left Denver, Colorado. He went to pick up the van. It was a van full of C4 plastic explosives.

He drove that van down to Trinidad, Colorado. Now if you look at a map, Trinidad, Colorado is almost due west of Oklahoma City. It’s not very far over there. He met his contacts. He didn’t know who they were. That’s standard black ops procedure. Everything’s compartmentalized. You’re given the need to know information that you have to have to get the job done, but no more. That way if you’re caught or captured, or domestic law enforcement catches you with a van load of plastic explosives, you can’t rat anybody out, so that’s why they do that. He didn’t know who his contacts were.

When he met him, they were three Middle Eastern men. They had structural blueprints thereof the Alfred P. Murrah building. I said, “How do you know that?” He said, “I saw it written on the blueprints. It was all in English,” and then he got really spooked. These guys were foreigners. They looked like Iraqi he said. He got spooked. He thought he was going to be a patsy set up for something, so he drove back to the Secret Service office in Denver, and he went in and told them, “I’m a CI asset.” I just dropped the van load of C4 off to these foreigners with some plans. I don’t know what the hell is going on.”CI I got wind of that from the Secret Service, so that the FBI go to Gagan’s house up there in Denver and plant his house with fake evidence, just like they planted me with fake evidence.

They threw Gagan in there with us, and he told me this story straight to his face. He was worried that they were going to kill him. He told me, “They’re going to kill you. We know they’re going to execute McVeigh because he’s the patsy. They’ve got to execute him.” Sure enough, McVeigh was executed on June 11th 2001 in record time. Of all the federal prisoners, they bumped him up on the list. There’s all these guys waiting on death row where they have a lethal injection chamber, and they bumped him and executed in record time. The book deals with the cover up in the Tenth Circuit Court of the Oklahoma City bombing, and how Judge Edward Nottingham was nominated by director of Central Intelligence, George Bush. Tom Strickland, the US Attorney was appointed directly by Bill Clinton.

Tom Strickland worked in a law firm in Denver with Hyatt, Farber, and Brownstein. Norman Brownstein was a principal of that law firm. In the 1970s he was on the CI’s council of six attorneys when George Bush, Sr. was Director of CIA. These attorneys handled litigation when any of their black ops flew back into the civilian world and there were lawsuits, wrongful death cases, or whatever. The six was in the Tenth Circuit, and we had a lot of detailed evidence to prove 302s from the activity logs of the agents and all kinds of court stuff that’s in there in the appendix. This whole thing was a cover up from top to bottom. The operation was planned sometime around the Whitewater hearings, because they began on July 26th of 1994. Clinton got elected in ‘92 and then they started the Whitewater hearings.

The Murrah Building was then blown up April of ‘95. All the records from the stuff that we were in Arkansas, with Central Rose and the CI ops, all those records from the domestic law enforcement, the Arkansas Bureau of Investigation, state police, county police officers, IRS, FBI, all of it. In 1984, Congress passed the Boland Amendment, which forbid us to be military involved with troops down in the regional conflict in Nicaragua, in Central America. At that time, the Russians were pouring in support, weapons, and stuff for Daniel Ortega who was the president of the Sandinistas, and that we were supporting the Contras. Reagan was afraid to tip the balance of power and the domino theory and everything.

We have some people, some of my friends that had dinner with Daniel Ortega in his house there. The Boland Amendment had been passed. Reagan didn’t agree with it, so he ordered a covert operation through the director of CIA to help arm, fund, and train the Contras to counter the Soviet expansion there. They concocted the three multiply nested operations Central Rose, Jade Bridge, and Screw Worm. Central Rose was a weapons op and a drug op. The weapons went down there. They were flown in C-123 transport planes by Barry Seal. He was one of the pilots from Vietnam that had come back and had a front company called Rich Brown Aviation in Mena.

We were involved in the arms coming out of the National Guard armories and stuff. They’d steal them out of there and then we take them to Mena, and then they’d fly down there and then they bring the drugs back. At the height of the op is about $100 million a month in cocaine coming back. My higher ups told me Bill Clinton was getting $10 million a month for using his front as governor of the state to help cover up all the CIA’s black ops. The other ops were Jade Bridge. That was an op where they were bringing in Nicaraguan and Honduran people up to train them in light aircraft, single engine aircraft, around the national forest out there. They were training them how to fly. Screw Worm was another side op down in Mexico City where they were building illegal machine guns and an ordinance to give to the Contras.

These things were all running simultaneously. During this time, this was ‘82, ‘83, ‘84, ‘85, after I got out of graduate school working on my Master of Science degree in Physics, I worked at Chevron, an oil company in Houston for a year, then I went up to Amoco Production Company in Tulsa. I was a petroleum and research geophysicist there. That was my NO Cor, Non-Official Cover. An OCO or Official Cover Operative is someone who has a cover like State Department liaison or Assistance to the Press Secretary. It’s official government cover and usually that entails diplomatic immunity, so that if you’re in a country and you get caught doing some black ops or crimes for the CIA, then you can be exfiltrated from the country under the Diplomatic Community Act. We were civilians and that was my cover. We did all these ops in Arkansas.

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Oklahoma City Bombing: If you get caught doing some black ops or crimes for the CIA, you can be exfiltrated from the country under the Diplomatic Community Act.

The law enforcement records were being accumulated,‘82, ‘83, ‘84, ‘85, in the heart of it, they had to wash money through the Worthington Bank in Atlanta that went out to the BCCI or Bank of Credit and Commerce International in the Caymans. They were washing all this huge amount of money. The IRS did investigation, DEA, FBI, and after all these years there was a whole lot of files, and they were stored in the Little Rock field office, FBI field office. Just before the Murrah Building was bombed, those files were moved over there. That’s one reason this bombing was ordered. This was a public bombing. How are you going to cover this black op up?

You have to have a cover. This thing was huge. There was civilian press, there was going to be all kinds of cameras. There were 168 people killed, about 680 injured. That blast damaged 324 buildings over a sixteen-block radius. It burned or destroyed 86 cars, shattered glass in 258 buildings. The average overall cost was $652 million in damage. That’s one of the reasons why that op was ordered. All those files, it would implicate the Clintons and the CIA in international arms and drugs dealing were stored there. These are all the domestic law enforcement files. They all went up in smoke in ’95. When Clinton’s impeachment hearings began, they were on January 7th to February 12th 1999, those records were unavailable.

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About Cody Snodgres

JFS 005 | Oklahoma City BombingFor over 20 years, I was an Independent Contractor (IC), specializing in sensitive, covert assignments, as well as bodyguard work. In 1994 I was given the task to blow up the Alfred P. Murray building in Oklahoma City. This job came from an x-US military man, who told me he worked covertly for CIA. I refused on moral grounds. My strong opposition to attacking U.S. citizens on our own soil changed my status from a CIA asset into a liability, a private, Independent Contractor who “knew too much”.

Blockchain of Things: Integrating Systems For Protection with Andre De Castro

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Tokens can be considered as key to gates that hold data and energy that are being transferred through a truck system. Unfortunately, not all of these systems come with highly effective protective outfit. Andre De Castro of Blockchain Of Things shares their company’s holistic approach to the productivity of many industries. They are a security company that de-centralizes functioning systems when it is integrated to it, turning it into a platform that creates smart assets at the simplest level. This is also another way to send a lock and unlock flow of information and energy, a system of control and transference on a large geography. Andre explains how their tokens are access tokens to functioning technology that create an intelligent ethereum system.

Our guest is Andre De Castro, a giant in the blockchain industry. Andre is CEO and Founder of Blockchain of Things, Inc., a company that has the enterprise class chain product, Catenis. Catenis Enterprise offers a web service layer for rapid Bitcoin blockchain integration to simplify and accelerate secure global peer-to-peer edge device messaging, digital asset control and recording of immutable data. Mr. De Castro is a well-versed software engineer, project manager, advisor and consultant on blockchain security, and the Internet of Things sector. As a founding member of the Open Source Financial Developers Association, he advises companies in the fintech space and also runs CryptoCircle, a New York City-based Meetup group where he advises the community about blockchain technology and cryptocurrency concepts. He’s an avid speaker at blockchain and IoT events and has been able to greatly influence related policy.

In 2013, he worked with the Federal Government’s FinCEN Division in creating more clarity on cryptocurrency policies. He is solely credited with the January 13, 2014 administrative ruling on software development and investment activities, opening up greater avenues for well-established corporations and startups to conduct a cryptocurrency business in the USA. Most recently, Andre was a guest on Nasdaq TV, as well as keynote speaker at the Blockchain Summit in Beijing, the Blockchain Conference in Las Vegas, Canaccord Genuity Annual Gross Conference in Boston, 2nd Annual IoT Security Summit, IAB Ad Operations Summit, Quantec Distributed Ledger Technology Conference, and Blockchain World Congress in New York City. After having spoken with Andre at some length, we are certain that you will find this episode interesting and informative. Joseph, let’s get right into questions for Andre.

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Blockchain of Things: Integrating Systems For Protection with Andre De Castro

Tell us a little bit about blockchain of everything in the medical industry.

When we look at connectivity, we look at connectivity holistically across many industries. When we look and think about the medical industry, it has some of the same fatigues and problems that’s occurring across all connected systems. We’ll have more connected devices than ever in history. We’re connecting these devices and systems to central hubs. We call them cloud servers. These cloud servers are somebody else’s computer and someone else’s facility. Hackers will go and attack these central systems. When the hackers attack these central cloud servers, all of the connected devices, be it in your office or your hospital or your factory, they go down. We noticed an incident of this earlier this year, about seven months ago, Amazon Web Services went down. It’s the cloud service offering for Amazon. A lot of the regular people said, “We just couldn’t get to websites.” What they don’t realize is that doctors couldn’t get into the emergency rooms with key cards. They couldn’t get into their offices. Security cameras in factories went down. I couldn’t turn on the lights in my living room because I use the Amazon Echo to control all the lights in my place. However, that might not be so important. When we think of a medical device that is sustaining life or systems that are critical for doctors, diagnosis systems and things of that nature, then the story starts to change.

It’s crucial for two reasons. First, Blockchain of Things uses the Bitcoin blockchain protocol to secure communication. All communication or transference of money across this public blockchain has never been hacked. Yet we see devices getting compromised constantly and consistently. That’s very, very dangerous for certain industries. Might not be as dangerous as someone can turn on and off my lights from afar. However, it’s a very, very dangerous when we talk about industries such as oil and gas, pharmaceuticals, medical devices. That’s very, very important to know. That’s the sweet spot of Blockchain of Things. We’re primarily a security company that allows you to integrate your preexisting applications and make them be centralized.

With all of those different industries, your platform would be able to establish things, say in the oil and gas sector, in the energy sector as far as electricity, trading platforms that people could use that as a platform in order to trade different commodities. Is that what you’re saying?

You could. The platform allows you to create what we call smart assets. At its simplest level, it’s the equivalent of tokens that people understand. Those smart assets could be mapped to anything you’d like so you could trade them across our system. You could generate these mapped into something of value. You could also send these to a lock-unlock flow of information, energy or whatever it may be. Let’s say for the energy sector as an example, you may have established ways and transformers and means to deliver energy. You may use this tokening ability to open and close the gates of power that you’re delivering to a consumer or a business customer, for instance. That token becomes not only a negotiable good, but it could be the ability to lock and unlock the flow of energy and data that’s being delivered to either a truck or a system.

I have to emphasize that blockchains are not great systems when we talk about holding data or being incredibly fast. They’re not meant for that. They’re meant as control layers. Transparent control layers that gives you great orbiting of systems at a very large geographical footprint. For other things such as high performance, speed, storage of information, there are databases and systems. When we approach using the blockchain, we approach it realistic. Integrating with the blockchain is going to comprise maybe 1% or 2% of the actual technology stack that’s used across any global system. When we talk about protecting, we talk about protecting high-value items. A high-value item doesn’t mean it’s expensive. You could have a $400 transformer on a power grid that if it went down, it would affect hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of energy. We’re talking about protecting when it’s critical.

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Blockchains were made for control in transference across a larger geographical area.

Inside of a business electrical flow, how would one use a blockchain? In critical conditions, you may log information to the blockchain because that’s very critical and that’s something that you need to report access and understand when it occurred. You’re not going to use it for every single item of communication. You think that that’s silly, but I think you’re going to use Blockchain of Things to have it there and say, “When a critical condition occurs, I need to log that to the blockchain.” Or “When I need to unlock and flow some information right through a secondary or tertiary system.” You could use the Blockchain of Things APIs to sit on a device. That device accepts a smart asset. That smart asset unlocks the flow of energy. That flow of energy is not going through the blockchain. It’s going through a secondary or tertiary layer that may be going through a power cord into your car, for instance. That doesn’t go through the blockchain. The record of unlocking that, who it came from, and your organization about occur is now recorded and managed through the blockchain.

Those are different concepts. When one reads an article about blockchain, one would think blockchain can cure cancer. “Blockchains can do this and that.” You’re all thinking, “That’s silly.” We have great database systems. We got great technologies to store data to do high-speed performance. Even when I see companies out there saying, “Our blockchain is going to allow X number of transactions per second.” I say, “That’s silly.” No matter what blockchain technology you create, you’re not going to be able to achieve the levels of transactions per second that Oracle Database or SQL Database can handle. Why would you want to? That’s not what blockchains were made for. Blockchains were made for control in transference across a larger geographical area. Not for speed performance of storage.

I don’t know if a smart contract could work with this and I don’t know how much the insurance industry would push against it because people assume when they have insurance that certain things are covered. Once you get your procedure done, afterwards is where the fight usually comes in as deductible, co-insurance, what’s allowed, what’s not allowed. Could a smart contract fix all that?

Smart contracts are misunderstood. What smart contracts can do are ‘if-then’ statements across a general currency. That’s what’s understood. In our system, it’s a little bit different. We call them intelligent contracts because we can not only accept a message, a token, and log information, we can issue tokens right from the same piece of code. The popularized smart contract term was popularized by the Ethereum blockchain. What that is, and people misunderstand, is an ‘if-then’ condition on the receipt and release the Ethereum cryptocurrency in itself. There are other slight things you could do, but we’re at the very start of being able to do something significant. Smart contracts are far from smart. It would be better called ’dumb contracts’ at best and they are extremely limited. It’s a reason why Blockchain of Things differentiates what we do as intelligent contracts or intelligent agents because we can receive a message of any size. We can react to a message of any size. We can issue tokens and smart assets inside of that.

A token or smart asset is basically encoding into one of these crypto currencies, a token or coin. This came from the concept early on Bitcoin that technologists would call ‘coloring a coin’. The idea is if I can send Bitcoin from me to you and you can send it to Susan, then we can track that on an open ledger. How about if we color that coin blue? We said that that coin represented IBM stock. Now, I have a ledger of control of where the stocks that I issued had gone to with immediate settlement. Settlement being the record of auditing that’s on the chain itself. People don’t understand this but there’s no such thing as a Bitcoin. A Bitcoin is a term that actually means 100 million satoshis.

It’s a term no different than a quarter. What’s a quarter mean? It’s $0.25. It’s a quarter of a dollar. A Bitcoin is 100 million units of satoshis. We can now go and encode inside of this tokens or what was originally called colored coins. With one Bitcoin transaction on Blockchain of Things, you can generate 4 trillion tokens. You generate those and now you can transfer them. These transferences are no different than transferences of Bitcoin or cryptocurrency from me to you, from you to someone else. Only, we can programmatically look at the receipt of that token and branch an if-then condition. Do I release this contract? Do I open up the spigot? You could transfer that to someone else. That transference can now represent anything you want it to represent. It could represent a unit of energy. It could represent an insurance certificate. It could represent how many drips in an IV some mechanical part will allow through based on that token itself. That’s how these tokens are used. We can encode, create these tokens and use them intelligently. In our system, back to the intelligent contract, we can generate these tokens, we can release these tokens and transfer them to N number of endpoints. We can react to the receipt of these tokens. Reacting to the receipt of these tokens, we could send a message to N other endpoints. The messages are not limited in size. They could be the release of hundreds of contracts or hundreds of invoices at one time. Then we can log that that occurred on the blockchain for auditing. That is why we call what we do intelligent contracts. In an Ethereum system, you can conditionally receive and release Ethereum tokens. That’s very rudimentary.

Let’s say that I want to buy a house from a friend of mine and we agree on a term. We agree that they will accept a token that I have? Does that work that way?

Yes, if you believe that that token has value. Why are many of these token sales and coin offerings exploding? Because someone believes that it has a value somehow. I don’t believe most of them have value because they don’t have built underlying technology, which is a significant difference between what we’re doing at Blockchain of Things. We have a token sale, but our token sale are access tokens to functioning technology so much so that we’re trying to change the space. How are we trying to change the space? 99.99% of these so-called token offerings or ICOs, they’re pitching you a very fancy white paper on technology that they’re going to build. We had investors in our company that funded the building of our technology. Our token sale, we’ve decided that during the pre-sale, we would give, along with the purchase of the token they’re purchasing, a one year license to our Pilot Development Kit, which is full use of the whole platform in a sandbox for a developer. You can use all the APIs and all of the functionality and everything you need for your company and you can make a decision when you want to use that up to three years.

Why did we do this? Because we were trying to change what’s been happening. You hear a lot about scams and things in reference to these token sales and ICOs. We don’t disagree because most startup companies go on them before they can even produce a problem. We’re trying to come in and say, “We’re doing this differently.” We can be used by tinkerers. We can be used by large companies. We just had a fund come up to us and say, “I want to get into the token sale because I want to use your APIs to control a more democratic way of voting in usage across our fund.” This is a financial fund. We’re going to be releasing a blog article that explains how this fund is using our APIs.

We’re trying to hint and speak to companies that will use our platform. We shy away from those who want to purchase our token just to hold our tokens because they should be used in our system. Because at the end of the day, the technology is what has value. That’s the intrinsic difference. If you believe it has value, then it has value. Why does the US dollar have value? Because people accept it as having values. If a company such as Coca-Cola produced a token, people would perceive that to have value. Coca-Cola could say, “If you hold 100 of these tokens, then any of our retailers will accept it as a free Coke.” No different than you might get a discount coupon on Groupon to have a free drink of that Jack Daniels at a bar. Company will back that free drink at the bar and the bar gets more business. It depends on how it’s being used. Will it have value? Who’s backing it? Is it a large company that has a product that it’s going to deliver that product with true value and that’s the space that Blockchain of Things sits in? Or is it someone who’s saying, “Help me fund something, and in the future we may produce something that’s going to be exciting and we’ll deliver it to you. We promise.”

On that platform, if you had an apartment building and the owners of the apartment wanted to sell it. They were willing to take the coin. Now, the hundred people that live in the apartment project are going to have to pay their rent in their coins. Now you have velocity and people begin to accept that currency.

There are great lines in American law as to what is security or not. Here’s a great example and that maps exactly to what you’re saying. I live in Manhattan, New York. Most people outside of New York may not know this, but I think it’s about 86% of buildings in Manhattan are cooperatives. There’s one corporation and you don’t own your apartment. You own shares on square footages of the building. Your apartment maps directly to shares the square footages in your building. In those shared square footages is what you’re maintenance is. Your costs for the building that everybody together pays monthly to the doorman and cleaning and garbage and all the good things that a building requires. You can now have those tokens and those tokens could be mapped to the square footage. That’s no different than the stock. I could see that happening where you give more flexibility to the owners to be able to sell in more liquidity. One can map those tokens and say, “Do they have value as the real estate or the fundamentals of that building and how that building is managed? How much money does that building have in the bank? Does it have any debt? Has it accrued debt for construction or whatever it needs? You may decide, “This token is undervalued or overvalued.” That’s the world we’re going into. That exists in one of the larger cities in the world. It’s done today through mapping shares and stocks that aren’t as liquid as a token could be.

As far as advertising. I saw one of the videos that you did about advertising and how a token could be utilized in paying for advertising or in paying to several different people through an advertising type platform.

Advertising is riddled with challenges. There’s a tremendous amount of fraud in advertising. I’ve been working very closely with the IAB, Interactive Advertising Bureau, and the Advertising Association of America, speaking to them in reference to how blockchains and tokening systems could reduce a lot of this fraud. What happens is that the fraud is not only rapid. It’s way above $9 billion a year. It’s easy to see the fraud occurring. It’s click fraud where guys will develop little bots to do click-throughs. The ad spent from the advertiser shoots up. It’s just accepted. It’s like, “If you spend $1, $0.60 out of that dollar, it’s going to go to fraud.” That’s that’s unacceptable. Maybe the numbers are 30%. I’m just guessing the numbers. I know that they are truly high. If you add transparency to this, how would one add transparency? One would log all of the players inside of the ad supply chain.

A lot of people don’t know this, but before you get served an ad, you’ll have lots of companies in the middle. You have the hosting of the site or the page. You have the guys who sold the ad container, the space of the ad. You have the guys who did the creative, the art or the ad itself. You have the guys who bring together all of that ad space and then auction them off on sites for large buyers. You have the advertising agency who purchases that and resells that to the ad company. You have the technology companies that are in between each one of these steps helping each one of these players. Today, you don’t know where the fraud is coming from because there’s no transparency. If you’re able to log what occurred on each step and you mapped everyone to an ID, later, you could turn as an advertiser and say, “I spent $5 million on this. We know that this individual in this ad chain is one of the culprits that has a lot to do with the fraud.” Everyone down the supply chain could blackball that. You could have a blackball list and say, “We don’t do business with that guy anymore because he’s funneling ads to Belarus and there’s a server click farm there.” You could significantly reduce that fraud. That fraud is a simple example of a traditional supply chain. That analogy can now be used across diversion of goods and supply chains globally.

Couldn’t you also revenue share with everybody in that chain?

You could. You could map tokens and cryptocurrencies to add revenue shares. That’s a complete different story. I don’t know what the best approaches to mitigating the type of fraud that exists inside the advertising value chain that occurs. That may be controlling the monetary unit itself, as you were alluding to. That may be as simple as bringing transparency to the players within the chain itself. That’s yet to be seen, but there are many approaches to this.

I would think that it would be a way of taking out all the trust as far as an illustrator that draws the picture. They hope they get paid by the orchestrator of the ad, yet in a blockchain, each person could get paid through that contract.

Yes, each person can get paid if you satisfy all conditions. That one condition maybe is transparency. It would take a big player to be able to do that. The sad part is that the biggest players, when we talk about advertising, we talk about Amazon, we talk about Google, we talk about Facebook. Remember, the click fraud that’s happening throughout this is so large that the big players, at the end of the day, make money from it. If you had a magic wand that you were to eliminate all frauds, any value ad chain cycle, Google would probably lose several billion dollars a year in revenue. That is a very discouraging number to have a large company try to fight this head on.

When you run an ad on Facebook, you hope that what has been done is actually being done. There’s no way for you to tell. This whole blockchain is going to change everything. One of the other industries is the transportation industry where they’re trying to bring in AI to be able to drive the large trucks. The trucking industry is wanting to fight it because of all the jobs that are going to go by the wayside. One of the things that was floated out there is, “If we could replace drivers, why couldn’t we replace politicians with a smart contract?”

Sadly, smart contracts aren’t as smart as we think. We’re going to have politicians for quite some time.

If blackballing is possible to get this guy that is committing a fraud out of the system, wouldn’t it be also possible for you to say, “You’re part of the system and I want you to kick back 10% or 15% of whatever you make to stay in the system, because if you don’t, I’m going to blackball you.”

That’s possible, but that’s only possible if you have the central control mitigating authority. The power of Bitcoins protocols was this intermediation or removing the middleman because they have the power to do that. That’s done every day. You need not squint when you walk into Wall Street to understand that 99.99% of every company in Wall Street makes money one way and one way alone, being a middleman. That middle man has a tremendous amount of power. People don’t know this, but if you’re a startup company and you’re wildly successful and you’re going to go public, the bank you choose gives you a choice. They say, “We’re going to take you public. By the way, we’re going to take 30% of your company as a thank you and distribute that and sell that to our friends.”

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99.99% of every company in Wall Street makes money one way and one way alone, being a middleman.

Sometimes it’s more than that, 40% of your company. They’d get a multi-billion dollar company and they’re like, “We’re the middleman. You’re going to do what we say.” That happens every single day. Today, the difference is that if you use cryptocurrency, those guys in power and in charge can no longer do that. In a system with a blockchain, that can be done. We have great examples in society where the picture that you painted is done every single day. Governments, “We print as much money as we want. We’re the big boys. We tell you what the interest rate is. We tell you what LIBOR is. How do we make it? We decide on our own. We may not be right.” Most of the times they aren’t, but they decide. We live under that system today.

The promise of the blockchain is that you no longer need to live under that system because there won’t be any central authority to be able to dictate. That 800-pound gorilla now gets disseminated. The best example of this is when a company goes IPO. Every single founder of every company that has ever IPO-ed can’t believe how much they’ve taken advantage of by large banks. People who don’t know how the system works, when they’re told, they’re all shocked. I see a future where there will be a time where a politician will turn and say, “I need to raise funds to build a bridge and that bridge is going to cost $20 billion.” He will go to Wall Street and he will borrow $20 billion to build a bridge. Let’s say, it’s in New York and his constituency will turn and say, “You mothereffer. You actually went to Wall Street and you gave that bank billions of dollars to issue bonds to be able to cross that bridge when you could’ve went to your constituency, sold tokens and gave us a discount to go over that bridge.” He will never get elected again.

This is not going to happen next year or in three years, but this is ten years down the line. I will live to see this occur. That’s the difference in power of being able to tokenize anything to no longer be at the behest of certain industries and those in power where there is no choice. We talked about that. Close to 90% of advertising in the world today, maybe the figure is less, are three companies, Facebook, Google and Amazon. Then, there’s everybody else. That exists. Those powers that be in financial institution and governments and industries, that exists. The only promise for that to be broken down and disseminated and this craze of token sales and ICOs is a fantastic example of that.

I raised money through my startup, Blockchain of Things, is still a startup very much so, by going to investors. When you go negotiate with investors to raise money, it’s brutal. It’s brutal what you have to sign and give over. When one VCs invest in your company, you’re lucky because he brings in all his friends and they all look to take advantage of you. They know the exact time where they’re going to dismiss you and place in your own CEOS after you’ve killed yourself building the company because that’s how the system runs. These startups who are raising money to build products, not us, we’re a little bit different, we’ve already been through that cycle, the VCs have no power. In one quarter, in three months, startups have raised more money than every dime of every VC in the United States combined. They were able to give those tokens to their friends, their family, their co-workers. If those companies become successful, their friends, their families, their co-workers are going to gain the advantage and not the VC that used to dictate. Who gave you advantage? Him and his other VC friends.

There’s a dissemination of power. It doesn’t mean that VCs aren’t also investing in ICOs and tokens. It doesn’t mean that these ICOs and tokens aren’t good for VCs. They’re actually better. I see this struggle online with these VCs talking about these token sales and ICOs and some of them bad mouthing them. They don’t realize that it’s the best thing that ever happened to them. Why? Take any startup. If you invest in a startup, you’re probably investing in a startup through what’s called the convertible debt note, it’s just a loan. Then, your money is trapped through series A, race B, C, D, E, F. The last startup I was at, we went through a G series round race. You’re fifteen years out before you can see any of your money. If you look at the statistics for VCs, they’re atrocious. Over 90% of the money they invest disappears because startups go under. They’re looking for that one unicorn. Imagine you invested 90% of your money across tokens and you believe that 60% of those companies were doing something wrong after you invested. You watched your CEOs, you didn’t like them. Even if you lost money, you could pull out 30% or 40% or 50% of your money and not lose 100% of your money. What they’re not realizing is that they’re fighting against the best interest. What they should be doing is pooling their money together to lobby the government to say, “You got to make it easier for these companies to use tokens than less regulation,” because if they did, the profits would go through the roof.

It’s like when the Hollywood industry took Sony to court when Sony created the Betamax. Sony won the ability to show movies at home. Had Sony lost, who would have lost was the movie industry because four years later, video sales made 400-fold more money for Hollywood than movie sales did. Taking Sony to court, they were cutting their nose to spite their face and that’s exactly what’s happening in the VC community because the VC community they used to control. They used to have been able to dictate what they want the startups to do. Many startups fail because of that because the founders aren’t given the liberty to do what they want to do. They constraint and the company collapses. The dynamics is significantly going to change with these tokens. Those who are fighting against it aren’t seeing the obvious.

Do you see a lot of the VCs trying to get into the blockchain?

Yes, it’s a hot area. They understand that it’s disruptive technology. The reality is that there’s not many companies in the world that have real working functional products with customers. I only know outside of the counterparty risk space; the counterparty risk being the financial exchanges and money transmission and those things. Outside of that space, there are plenty of mature companies there. You have Coinbase, if you want to deal with companies that are financially regulated. Companies that aren’t financially regulated because they just produce software, there isn’t a tremendous amount there.

All of these companies are trying to build blockchains from the bottom up, which we at Blockchain of Things, don’t believe make sense. People are trying to pitch, “There’s going to be a blockchain for healthcare and the blockchain for toothpaste.” I lived through the dot-com boom. It was the same exact conversation. What was going to be the end-all, kill-all? Intranets. No one was going to use a global public internet. Intranets were going to be the next thing. Why? Banks are never going to use the public internet. I remember Citibank used to make me launch a little client that I would connect to Citibank directly because he wouldn’t use the internet. “No, we’re not using a public infrastructure.” That’s insane. How do we know? AOL, the biggest intranet company at the time, fetched the largest amount of money of any company ever sold in the United States. Why? Because they were a closed intranet. Where are the intranets now? There are intranets that exists for corporations. You can find them, but you can’t compare that to the global internet. Anyone who thinks, “I’m investing money in all of these little blockchains that are going to pop up.” When the core developers are saying, “Build second layer technologies on top of the global Bitcoin blockchain.” Make the blockchain the control layer of intelligence. That’s exactly what Blockchain of Things has done. We’ve been doing this since 2014. They’re singing our prayers and that’s no different than the internet.

If you look at our product Catenis Enterprise, we’re just a blanket. We’re a second layer blanket on top of the global Bitcoin blockchain that does away with all of the challenges that the global Bitcoin blockchain does. For instance, you could see it analogous to TCP/IP, which is the communication layer of the internet. It’s the protocol of the internet. But today, we build applications on websites for http. That’s several layers above. If you use Catenis Enterprise, you’re building an application on a layer above where we use the blockchain for its best utility. You can build applications on top by using the Catenis integration APIs. Those APIs use the blockchain for whenever the company needs to either transfer value, do secure communication. It won’t be every single instance of communication, but it will be key instances of communication.

Would this be apps that would sit on top of your platform?

Absolutely. They would be apps. They would be apps that would manifest themselves on iPhones, on iPads, on your computer. Most importantly, and this is the sweet spot, it’s not necessarily reinventing the wheel and creating an app from scratch as people are trying to do, but integrating with existing apps. We have a customer. Name is ISMS out of Maryland. They have a massive concept management system. A concept management system needed to record documents for the industrial military complex for subcontractors. Let’s say Lockheed Martin gets a contract with the government. They have thousands of subcontractors. They needed that these subcontractors adhere to ISO standards, US government standards, of creating documents around the project and ultimately, there’s no control. Later, if subcontractor messes with the documents and says, “This is what we did create when we built that,” when they audited. They wanted an independent auditing system. What did they do? They got their massive stack, which was an already built amazing concept management system and they use our APIs for the last step of their flow to control these documents for the subcontractors.

What does blockchain represent in their already built stack? Maybe 1%, maybe less. Our APIs represent in the already built stack. This idea that we’re going to go and rebuild everything from scratch for blockchain is silly. We have robust systems. We have robust medical systems. We have robust systems for trucking. We have robust systems for global supply chain. What we’re going to do is we’re going to say, “In these instances where I can control diversion, fraud and diversion and I need to integrate the blockchain as a control system, we’re going to go to companies like Blockchain of Things who can get us going inside four or five weeks instead of building it from scratch.”

As far as privacy goes, let’s say that you have a product that you want to share. Somebody like ExxonMobil wants to have an acquisition in a different country and they want to buy a gas field or an oil-type platform, is there a way for them to purchase that under a blockchain scenario with a token with privacy?

Yes, there’s a way to do that. The devil’s always in the details. We need to look at the business case at a more granular level. All I’m saying is people have this idea that, “If I’m going to use the blockchain and I’m building a system to store information, I’m going to need to sort that information on the blockchain.” You may need to control certain aspects of that information on the blockchain. ISMS is a great example. They’re not storing the stuff on the blockchain. They’re fingerprinting critical documents to prove that the document hasn’t changed in the future when the government audits the systems for these subcontractors. They’re more robust technologies. You have to use the blockchain for what it’s meant to do, not what people believe it is. Companies come to me all the time and say, “Andre, you have Blockchain of Things,” but the blockchain is not robust enough to have devices send messages millions of times a second and the transactions costs are going to be too high. I turn to them and I say, “If you did that, they’d be very similar to use this for that.”

You should communicate that through a robust communication layer. When a device updates its firmware, it’s completely vulnerable to hackers. Samsung’s SmartThings Hub in my home, they update the firmware. I get emails every three months and it’s completely vulnerable. At that juncture, you might spend a little more to send the firmware payload through a separate channel controlled through the blockchain very securely to update that device. You’re going to use it at critical junctures when an anomaly occurs in a gas and oil pipeline that is so important for you to not get sued to prove that that part went wrong and that part was from a separate manufacturer, not you. You’re going to use the blockchain. License or APIs would be available the whole time, but you’re not going to use the blockchain for every single piece of communication. You may use a blockchain to send the message to open up a communication channel.

There are different uses that people aren’t considering and that’s the space we’re playing in using the blockchain for its actual purpose. A lot of the things that’s been written in articles and the confusion that smart contracts could do this, that and the other thing. It’s simply a fantastic global control and auditing layer for everyone. When it comes to security, it’s fantastic. Although, it’s a transparent ledger, we encrypt every single message, every single item with what’s called perfect forward secrecy. That means that every single messages encrypted with a brand new public and private key pair on every single thread, so nothing is exposed to the world. You, the owner of the devices, can un-encrypt it and show to the authority what was logged. There’s nothing to be seen on this public ledger and that’s what many people confuse what’s going on, and hopefully to bring in clarity to your audience.

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Blockchain of Things: Being unique and conservative in this approach will show to the community that probably better align with serious corporations.

Could you use this for replacement of Visa on transactions that were $25 or $50? Where I’m thinking of is at a gas pump that a trucking company would sign up that has a couple of hundred drivers. Instead of using a credit card system, they could use a blockchain with an app on a mobile device.

Yes, you could and we’re talking about the cryptocurrency side of it. There are great technologies being released. One of them is called the Lightning Network on top of the global Bitcoin blockchain. It’s going to allow transactions at pennies or fractions of pennies to go across the global Bitcoin blockchain for payments. I believe the release candidate one was deployed to make that the main Bitcoin blockchain. It’s early on and there are speculations on how this technology will evolve, if it will be able to handle the world’s population. Just like every technology, we weren’t able to screen videos like this when the internet first started. People don’t remember, but it’s comical because today people argue about the scaling of the global Bitcoin blockchain, but they quickly forget that they were the same arguments about email. Email didn’t scale. There was no way to communicate across to other people. I don’t know if you remember but back in the day, it was Lotus Notes. Lotus Notes did email through a closed system, like in AOL. You loaded Lotus Notes in your company and you could only communicate with people in your company and that was email. Later, they opened it up to the internet because the internet email couldn’t scale.

We’re still in the early days. When people say, “Will Lightening Network be able to perform that?” I know they’ll be able to do it because Blockchain of Things has been doing it since 2014. We are a second layer technology akin to the Lightning Network that sits on top of the global Bitcoin blockchain. The difference is that it’s much easier to implement what we’ve built because we don’t have the idea of counterparty risk; not knowing the individual that’s sending the message. In our system, the company is communicating to the company. Because of that, we have fine granular control. We can decide that fees for information doesn’t need to be in the blockchain in ten minutes. It can be in the blockchain in days because it doesn’t matter because both endpoints trust each other. There are a lot of things that we can do that the Lightning Network needs to be much more sophisticated to do and things have to be worked out but we’re close to getting there. When I say close were twelve to sixteen months off of having a much better system. It’s in its early days, but we’re getting there.

Can you address a little bit about what has happened with blockchain or Bitcoin as far as their fees go recently in the past 30, 60 days?

There’s been an explosion of interest in Bitcoin itself. Fees aren’t established. Most people don’t understand this, but it’s a fee market. There are competing factions. There’s a faction that believes that we should scale on chain or create blocks that are bigger. That’s understandable and that’s something that Satoshi Nakamoto, the creator of Bitcoin, first touched upon. There are a lot of engineers like myself that realize that no matter how big the blocks get, it won’t support a global currency. We know through good technology and through experience that layering technologies through a layered approach, you can achieve all the wonderful things that we’ve achieved today with the internet. A lot of the core engineers are saying, “We have a lot of technologies that we know that can mitigate a lot of the things that we need before we ever consider increasing the block size.”

That’s painful for businesses. Even our business gets impacted a bit by that. Although we play in a different space, we play at a much broader enterprise product or for enterprise companies. Companies don’t care if they pay $5. I was quoted by a large corporation, which initially used my product, I won’t say the name, turned to me and said, “You’ve got to be kidding me. You’re talking about a $2, $3 or $4 fee? We did an assessment in our company and it costs us $5 to issue an invoice for a $25 box of pencils.” In our system, we can mitigate it or we don’t. “We don’t care about transactions on the blockchain in ten minutes. There’s this level of guarantee this five and a half hours.” There are all sorts of things that we can bring the fees close to zero right in our platform, but our platform is unique.

With the advent of this, the block size that hold the transactions, these blocks are digital envelopes that hold transactions. They’ve gotten flooded and to get your transaction in in a counter party risk or financial transaction, you start to pay more to be able to see it confirm faster. The fee started climbing and climbing and climbing. A lot of the core engineers are saying, “That’s bad on one end, but it’s good on the other end because it’s going to force companies to start using more robust technologies such as a new technology that they released segregated witness.” They’re working on things such as Snort signatures, which are very technically deep cryptographic signatures that will reduce the size of transactions also. They’re working on myriad of other technologies that will optimize the protocol. Once a protocol gets optimized, then let’s consider increasing the block size.

This pain is good to push the companies and the lazy guys to go and retrofit. No one controls the global Bitcoin blockchain. It’s an opt-in. People have to opt in to use these technologies. There’s no way to get them to opt in. They’ll just say, “I’m not going to update.” I’ll tell you to mitigate something. A design flaw that exists in the Bitcoin blockchain called malleability, our company and engineers months to be able to mitigate it. It’s very difficult to do. It’s very costly. If you have a bigger block and you’re a company, why spend the money in engineering? Just shove it into the bigger block. The core engineers were saying, “No, let’s force everybody to optimize and make it better so later we can have a substrate that can actually handle and be robust for smarter contracts, for better execution of systems on second layer technologies.” We believe that because we’ve always been a second layer technology.

Let’s talk a little bit about your token sales. Where are you in that process?

We’ve just started doing pre-sales of tokens. There are large volume purchases of our tokens to select individuals. We’ll accept anyone, because our APIs can be used by the average individual. We’re even close to releasing a platform that will allow tinkerers to build on our platform. We don’t have to talk about futures, so I’m not going to be speaking about futures, but keep your ears peeled. We’re maybe four to six weeks away from a major announcement. We like to look at individuals who can actually use our platform. It’s available for purchase or minimum purchases that that may be high for certain individuals. It starts at $10,000 to do purchase volume discounts of the token. Your utility tokens in the unlocked functionality in our platform itself allows a person to take that. There’s a major advantage.

We were selling Pilot Development Kit, which is the full use of our APIs for $20,000. You could get in and get a one year license for our API by purchasing $10,000 worth of tokens with the one year license of our product. There are larger volume discounts also. We’re taking a very private approach to this. Individuals who are intelligent and know that they want to purchase a token to use this platform either today or in the future because they understand the power of the platform, may take a position in purchasing the tokens. We asked them what is their interest in using the platform. We’re not about saying that these tokens have value outside of our platform. We’re very unique in what we’re doing. Being unique and conservative in this approach will show to the community that probably better align with serious corporations. We’re not a loosely formed project or an open source project and that’s what’s completely different about us.

A lot of people in this community get excited because they can go to a GitHub and see all their code. We’re a product that functions. Just like you go to Oracle or Microsoft and you buy SQL Server. You come to us and we offer a product. If our product didn’t work, we’re a US corporation, you can take us to court if we took your money. In reality, we’re trying to change what’s going on. A lot of these companies are also open source projects. The guys work on it, if they want to work on it. You can’t fire anyone. There’s no board of directors. It’s a loosely formed foundation. A lot of times these foundations are outside the country. Maybe that’s why a lot of people in the crypto community don’t know about us as much. We’re closed sourced product but we’re a product that functions. We’re what I would consider one of the most mature, if not the most mature product outside of financial products in the cryptocurrency space.

Is there anything that we’ve missed that you’d want to put in there?

Blockchain of Things sponsors an event called CyrptoCircle. You could go to and look up CryptoCircle. It’s become the largest Meetup in the country, possibly in the world. We throw it at Jay Z’s 40/40 Club, the second Monday of the month. Last month we had 1,146 people sign up. We take over all of Jay Z’s club the second Monday of the month. It’s some of the best people in the community. They’re represented by great law firms that will answer questions, discounted drinks, free food. It’s become a very popular event here in New York. Let’s be in touch and thank you so much.

Thanks, Andre. It’s very nice to meet you.

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About Andre De Castro


JFS 002 | Blockchain of ThingsAndre De Castro is CEO and founder of Blockchains of Things, Inc, a company that has the enterprise-class blockchain product, Catenis™. Catenis Enterprise offers a web services layer for rapid Bitcoin blockchain integration, to simplify and accelerate secure global peer-to-peer edge device messaging, digital asset control, and recording of immutable data. Mr. De Castro is a well-versed software engineer, project manager, advisor and consultant for blockchain, security, and the IoT sector. As a founding member of The Open Source Financial Developers Association (OSFDA), he advises companies in the Fintech space, and also runs Cryptocircles – a New York City based meetup group where he advises the community about blockchain technology and crypto currency concepts. He is an avid speaker at Blockchain and IoT events and has been a policy influencer; in 2013 he worked with the federal government’s FinCEN division in creating more clarity on crypto currency policies. To this day, he is solely credited for the Jan 30th, 2014 administrative ruling on software development and investment activities, opening up greater avenues for well-established corporations and startups to conduct crypto currency business in the USA.
Most recently, Andre was a guest on NASDAQ TV, as well as a keynote speaker at the Blockchain Summit in Beijing, The Blockchain Conference in Las Vegas, Canaccord Genuity’s Annual Growth Conference in Boston, 2nd Annual IoT Security Summit, IAB Ad Operations Summit, Quantech Distributed Ledger Technology Conference, and Blockchain World Congress in NYC.

ShapeShift, The New Face Of Digital Asset Exchange with Erik Voorhees

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Just like other currencies, there are different digital currencies that can convert from one type of coin to another. ShapeShift is a digital asset exchange, a website that makes the conversion of bitcoins to other coins faster and easier. Erik Voorhees, ShapeShift founder, explains how the system works. Bitcoins can be converted into ethereum and litecoin can be converted into dash.Simply go to the website, there is no need to use an email account which is one of the coolest parts of it. Also, ShapeShift uses KeepKey. This is a hardware wallet that helps in preventing people from knowing your private key through a USB device. Learn why this is the safest way for a person to store cryptocurrency.

We have our guest Erik Voorhees, who promises to have some exciting information for us. Erik Voorhees is among the top recognized serial Bitcoin advocates and entrepreneurs, understanding Bitcoin as one of the most important inventions ever created by humanity. Having been a featured guest on Bloomberg, Fox Business, CNBC, BBC radio, and Peter Schiff Show and numerous Bitcoin and industry conferences, Erik humbly suggest that there is no such thing as a free market when the institution of money itself is centrally planned and controlled.

Erik founded ShapeShift in August of 2014 as an elegant, secure and fast solution to digital asset exchanges. Prior to the creation of ShapeShift, buying digital assets was a lengthy process that required an account creation and forfeiture of personal data to the service provider. Erik’s past blockchain company affiliations include BitInstant, Coinapult, and most notably, SatoshiDICE, which was responsible for most of the Bitcoin transactions in 2012 and 2013. Follow Erik on Twitter @ErikVoorhees. His blog is I have Erik on the line. Here is our host Joseph Farley.

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ShapeShift, The New Face Of Digital Asset Exchange with Erik Voorhees

Why don’t you give us an overview on ShapeShift and then go from there?

ShapeShift is a digital asset exchange. It’s been around for about three and a half years. It allows a user or a robot to convert one digital asset into another. For example, to convert Bitcoin into Ethereum or Litecoin into Dash. Our claim to fame is that we don’t have any user accounts at all. There’s no sign up. We don’t take any user information. We make it simply fast and easy to move between these different digital assets.

As far as moving between the different assets, let’s say I have a lot of Bitcoin and I want to diversify and get into some different coins, then I could exchange those. I could turn my Bitcoins in for other coins.

Yeah, we’re the fastest and easiest way to do it. If you have Bitcoin and you want to turn it into a different digital currency, ShapeShift is a great way.

ShapeShift does not take fiat currency though, correct?


You have to be in a cryptocurrency before you can use ShapeShift?

Yeah, we don’t touch dirty fiat and we never will. If you’re stuck with fiat and you’re trying to get into crypto, we can’t help you with that, unfortunately. There are other good companies that’ll help you with that like Coinbase but we don’t touch that stuff.

As far as any type of gold or silver, don’t touch that either?

I’m a big fan of gold and silver, but those are hard to transfer through computer. We don’t support any metals on the site either.

We could go to your site. We don’t have to use an email. We don’t have to give up our identity or firstborn or anything like that?

No examples.

The program would issue a key, I would assume.

We work very similarly to a currency exchange desk at an airport. You walk up, you have euros, you want Japanese yen. You tell the teller that then they take your euros and they give you yen and you walk away. We’re very similar. You come to the ShapeShift website, you tell us that you have Bitcoin and that you want Ethereum, for example. We then show you a Bitcoin address. You send your Bitcoin to that and then you give us an Ethereum address and we send your Ethereum to that. Very simple.

As far as regulatory or compliance issues, these different departments are attempting to grab as much money as they possibly can or as much authority as they possibly can. We interviewed Joe Ciccolo and Amber Scott with compliance pieces. Joe had made a very interesting comment that the SEC claim that cryptocurrency is a security.IRS claim something else. All these different departments are trying to get their hooks inside these currencies as well as licensing for different platforms. Do you fall under any of that?

There’s no such thing in the world as an unregulated business, unfortunately. Every company has to deal with regulators in one capacity or another. It’s just a question of which ones and to what extent. ShapeShift operates all over the world with the exception of two places, in New York State and in North Korea.

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Digital Asset Exchange: Every company has to deal with regulators in one capacity or another. It’s just a question of which ones and to what extent.

We’ve been looking at their licensing laws or their statutes and it’s funny.

New York State a few years ago, their regulators wanted to be proactive, which is their weasel word for ‘harmful’. They created this whole monstrosity of regulation called the BitLicense. The BitLicense basically declared that most crypto activities needed to be treated in the same way as banking activities, which means that you need to take all sorts of private information from people. You need to do all sorts of spying for the government. You need to pay lawyers hundreds of thousands of dollars to handle these procedures for you. They had crazy things like if you want to change your business model at all, you need approval from the New York Department of Finance.

What’s interesting about that is that department was set up in 2011. You and I could set up a department of whatever. It is the biggest fraud that starting to get exposed along with Chucky Schumer and all this other stuff that they’re working on.

The guy spearheading this there is Benjamin Lawsky. After the BitLicense was enacted, ourselves and a few dozen other of the leading crypto companies left New York. We basically said, “We’re not going to endanger users for the benefit of some New York State regulator.” We blocked the State. The BitLicense was a total disaster. New York obviously has been the center of finance in the world, but only has a few crypto companies there anymore, which is pretty, pretty tragic for that place. After that whole debacle, Benjamin Lawsky left the department, started his own consulting practice to help companies navigate the rules that he himself created, essentially built. We had this beautiful open pasture of innovation. He comes in, builds a whole bunch of walls and obstacles. He whores himself out to people who will pay money in order to have him navigate through the things that he created.

Long-term retirement program for him.

You can’t have a better example of crony capitalism of people in government using their power to put on shackles to industry, and then taking money to help people relinquish the burdens of the shackles. It’s absurd. We wanted nothing to do with it and so we left New York State and we’ll probably never be there again.

There are a lot of people voting with their feet. In this midterm, there’s a real push to throw the people out of office that have become career politicians regardless. Democrat, Republican, it doesn’t matter who they are. If they’ve been a career politician, they need to go.

All of them need to go regardless of how long they’ve been there. Voting for new people never helps anything. I don’t have much hope for that.

Tell us a little bit about some of the other things that you’re working on.

ShapeShift is our main project. It’s the exchange. We also have number of other services. We run, which is a market data site for digital assets, shows all the different cryptos sorted by market cap that shows the trade volume, the prices, those important details. That’s a free service. Anyone can download that or get the app. We run Prism which is a little more technical. It’s a smart contract based derivatives exchange essentially for creating portfolios of digital assets. We run KeepKey, which is a hardware wallet company. KeepKey makes little USB devices that securely store the private keys that hold crypto. The best, safest way for a normal person to be storing cryptocurrency is not on their computers, not on their phone, it is on a hardware wallet. KeepKey does that. We run all these businesses in parallel together and it’s been a fun ride.

If with this KeepKey and now, we’re seeing this thing with Prism where they’re tracking all this stuff. A regulator could not get into your computer, steal your money, move your money around, do whatever else that they do if you have this key that’s in your pocket or in a safe location?

Yeah. All of crypto is secure if you keep the private key safe. The private key is a long string of digits. You can think of it like your private account number. Knowing that number is what gives you the authority to spend the money attached to it. If that number is known to anyone else, they can take your money instantly. It doesn’t matter if they’re a regulator or just a neighbor or a criminal or anyone. If you keep that key safe, then no one can steal it. Not the NSA or anyone of any kind. What KeepKey does is it helps you prevent people from knowing your private key by storing it off your computer on a USB device. It’s much, much harder to hack that. Anyone that knows security will never say that something’s perfectly unhackable. Keeping a key off of an online computer is a really good and important step.

They would have to be able to get it immediately when you plug that in, hit the net and put in your code. They’d have to grab your money right then.

No, not even that. Even when you have the USB drive plugged into your computer, it’s built in such a way that it can only sign transactions that you approve with the manual button press on the device. You can plug it into a completely compromised computer for example, and nothing can be stolen from it.

One of the businesses or industries that we’re in is in the oil and gas industry. If somebody wanted to develop a smart contract to buy X amount of natural gas from one location and move it to another location without using fiat currency, would they be able to do that with those keys and with your platform?

The oil is a physical item. You can pay for oil with crypto. If someone sells you oil, you can buy it. If they accept crypto, you pay them with the crypto. But the movement and transfer and storage of the physical oil is something that occurs in the physical world. We operate a platform that only works for digital assets, not for anything physical.

Tell us a little bit about how people go about getting that wallet and where you buy the physical key and so forth.

KeepKey is available on their website, You can also get it on Amazon. It’s about $120 and it will be shipped to you. You go through a setup process where the device creates the private keys that are held secretly on the device. You make a backup phrase, which is a series of words. You keep those words held in a secure location somewhere else so that if your device is ever damaged or stolen, you can recreate your money essentially somewhere else. You put a pin on the device so that if it is stolen, the person still can’t get into it. Once you go through that setup process, then it acts like a Bitcoin wallet. When you plug it into your computer, you can receive Bitcoin. You can send Bitcoin. You can also store Ethereum and a few other coins on that hardware wallet. It’s a great option. Anyone who is storing crypto should be using a hardware wallet. There are other companies that make good ones as well. Trezor and Ledger both make great products. A hardware wallet from any of those three companies is a great option.

Let’s say that you wanted to travel to Mexico. If you had your key here, you could travel to Mexico and order another key if you had the pin and phrase?

Yeah, totally. With crypto, you never need to cross border with money. That concept doesn’t exist. Crypto exists digitally on the internet. There’s no such thing as these imaginary lines that governments make. When you send Bitcoin, you’re not transferring it physically from one jurisdiction to another. You’re simply updating a global ledger that’s stored and tracked in countries all over the world that this account now has this many fewer coins and this one has that many more coins. If you’re storing your coins on a physical device, they’re not on that device. They’re on the number inside the device. If you duplicate that number, you can recreate or use that same money from any other locations. You could have two KeepKey devices, one in the US and one in China. If you’re flying back and forth between the two, you set them both up with the same key and then your money is available in both places. You’re never crossing a border with the money itself.

One of the items that we’re going to get into is a phrase that all the states have used including New York. The phrase is called ‘in this state’. All the laws and everything else as far as jurisdiction have to do with in this state. It is the biggest fraud and when this thing comes out about ‘in this state’ and people see what this means, this is how they have been able to get around the constitution and the organic states that are separate and apart from Washington DC. It’s an amazing thing. You’re key on being able to go back and forth because the big problem that China has is the people in China getting their money out of China.

Any fiat currency is controlled and held in banks, which are a branch of the government. If a government or a bank doesn’t want you to move funds across the border, you’re at their control. You don’t have control and sovereignty over your money. You use it at the privilege of the bank. In crypto, no one is holding it. No one is authorizing it. No one is approving a transaction. No one can block an account. Crypto brings people actual sovereignty over their wealth, which is an immensely powerful new phenomenon that has not existed before. If you own gold physically, you have sovereignty over that, but that’s hard to move, especially in any significant amount.

Provided that you have enough guns and badges to protect it.

It’s very expensive. Transferring a million dollars from the US to China in gold is not trivial. Transferring a million dollars from the US to China in Bitcoin can be done in about two minutes at a very low cost and no one in the world can stop it. If you do it right, no one in the world even knows that it happened. Even if they know that it happened, they can’t stop it. That’s immensely powerful. Over time, that’s going to change the relationship between individuals who now truly have an option to have sovereignty over their wealth and those who would rather they don’t.

In China, let’s say, can you order your key in China? Will they allow that key to come in or do you have any experience with that or do you know people that order?

I don’t think that we currently sell them in China. You could certainly buy one in the U.S. and put it in your suitcase and fly over. No one knows what it is. It’s not that valuable until you put Bitcoins on it. Even if they seize it at the border, you’re only out $120 instead of anything real. It certainly works as well in China. The Bitcoin that you store on it can’t be blocked in China any more than it can be anywhere else.

You got into the Bitcoin movement in 2011, is that correct? Bitcoin, at the time, was $5 or so.

Yeah. I got involved in May of 2011 and it was right around $5. I thought I missed the boat because a year earlier it was only $0.20. Everyone that gets into this stuff, it feels like they missed the boat, even myself back in 2011. It was much smaller back then. Very few people took it seriously and it has been very exciting to watch it grow and achieve much of the potential that us, naïve or early adopters, hoped it would have. We talked for many hours on online forums about how crypto would take over the world and be used all over the place. It’d be worth billions of dollars and rival fiat currencies. That has all happened. Bitcoin itself is the 12th or 15th largest currency in the world, Market Cap, the value of all the currency supply. Every big financial institution in the world is investigating and experimenting with this stuff. Every government is somewhere between annoyed and curious about this stuff. It’s changing how finance works and that’s been pretty exciting.

As far as the banks go, do you think that they are trying to at all manipulate the price to buy Bitcoin, sell Bitcoin? That’s what they do in the stock market and something that they’ve been very good at completely manipulating, causing crashes and things like that. Or is there a way that the community can see that, “This guy is with Chase bank,” or whatever the case is?

Banks are not alone in trying to manipulate markets. Manipulate is already a weighted term. People generally seek profit. People that play in financial markets try to buy low and sell high or sell high and then re-buy low if there’s shorting. There’s nothing necessarily wrong with that. What causes a lot of problems in the traditional financial world, the fiat world, is that there’s zero way to know how much of an asset exists. There’s no way to know how many dollars exists. You can read some reports from governments based on certain monetary estimates or claims but you can never know. They lie about most things. Take everything they say with a big grain of salt. Even other financial assets like shares of Apple. There are a certain number of shares of Apple, and I trust that Apple knows what that number is, but when you get into the nuances of how exchanges and trading systems work, you can have all sorts of promises or IOUs for shares. Knowing the difference between those things can become tricky. This leads to things like naked short-selling where people will sell things that they don’t have.

That stuff can take you down a path where it goes from people just trying to profit from markets to maybe unethical. Crypto solves that in that you can know exactly what exists and you don’t have to trust anyone. You can know exactly how many Bitcoins exist. There’ll be a little more of them tomorrow and a little more than the day after that and you can know exactly what that number is. Same with Ethereum and all the big blockchains. You can know the money supply down to the day or the minute and then shares and other assets that turned into these tokens on a blockchain. For example, Apple could reissue all of its stock on a blockchain as blockchain tokens. You’d have these tokens that represent each shares of Apple. Because they’re tokens, maybe they are on the Ethereum blockchain. You will know exactly how many there are. You don’t have to trust anyone for that.

When you have that basis of mathematical proof in the supply, you end up with a much more honest financial system. If people are shorting, you know that they’re shorting assets that they have or that they legitimately borrowed from someone else. You know who else had them. You don’t necessarily know names, but you know that those things existed. While crypto does not solve human greed and it does not remove every method of manipulation from a market, it removes a large quantity of possible manipulations. That’s a huge improvement.

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Digital Asset Exchange: Crypto does not solve human greed and it does not remove every method of manipulation from a market, it removes a large quantity of possible manipulations.

You would be able to go back if you needed to. If there’s somebody trying to manipulate the market, people in the community could tell and sit tight.

Stated more accurately, everyone in a market is always trying to manipulate it in some sense. If you’re selling, you’re hoping that the thing goes back down. Manipulation is a little bit of a tricky word, but the point would be that if someone is selling, you know what they’re selling, you know where it came from and you know that it was there. You can’t just create Bitcoin out of thin air and then sell it. You don’t have to wait for some report after the fact to be created. This is all happening in real time on public blockchains that anyone with a computer can watch.

You mentioned something that I wasn’t aware of and I may be wrong. Maybe I misinterpreted what you said. Does each coin company, Bitcoin or Ethereum, have their own blockchains or is it one blockchain that encompasses all the companies?

First thing is they’re not companies. Bitcoin is not a company. Ethereum is not a company. They are protocols. There are many companies that utilize them as technology protocols, but they themselves are not companies. Just like, you would not say the internet is a company. It’s a protocol or more accurately, a set of protocols. Some of these are their own blockchains. Bitcoin is the first and the biggest and the most important blockchain in the world. Ethereum is the second biggest and second most important blockchain in the world. There are several hundred blockchains. Only the top ten or twenty are relevant or important. On some of these blockchains, there are tokens that exist that are their own asset, but they’re not their own blockchain. If Apple released tokenized equity shares, those would be tokens on the Ethereum blockchain, not on their own new blockchain.

That makes sense with that other thing that you offer where you can take bitcoin off apparently their blockchain, if I owned it, and put Bitcoin on to Ethereum’s blockchain.

Not quite. What you would do is if you have Bitcoin, you send it to us at ShapeShift and that’s the transaction happening on the Bitcoin blockchain from your Bitcoin account to ours so we receive your Bitcoin. Then we send you Ethereum on the Ethereum blockchain from our Ethereum account to yours. We’re not moving an asset from one chain to another but you are moving the value. Maybe you had $100 in value in Bitcoin. You send it to us and then we send you $100 in value on the Ethereum blockchain. The value has moved across the chains, but the actual asset does not leave the chain.

Do you foresee the time when digital currency like this will be used like a credit card? In other words, we’ll all be able to go in and buy a pair of shoes, sit down and have dinner and pay for it with coins or is this something that is mainly going to be used to store your currency?

I firmly believe that this will end up being how the world transacts with each other. You already can buy shoes with Bitcoin. is one of the best retailers that accepts crypto. Overstock will sell almost any home good that you could imagine and you can pay with Bitcoin. They’ve integrated ShapeShift so you can pay with any kinds of crypto. You can already buy quite a bit of life’s necessities with Bitcoin, but you can’t go into a 7/11 yet and buy your coffee with Bitcoin. That will happen eventually, but it could take awhile. People’s habits are hard to change. Even when they have a superior alternative, the required work in learning it and changing your behavior is friction and it takes a while for people to change.

Erik, thank you very much.


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About Erik Voorhees

JFS 001 | Digital Asset ExchangeErik Voorhees | CEO and Founder, ShapeShift AG

Erik Voorhees is among the top-recognized serial Bitcoin advocates and entrepreneurs, understanding Bitcoin as one of the most important inventions ever created by humanity.
Having been a featured guest on Bloomberg, Fox Business, CNBC, BBC Radio, The Peter Schiff Show, and numerous Bitcoin and industry conferences, Erik humbly suggests that there is no such thing as a “free market” when the institution of money itself is centrally planned and controlled.

Erik founded ShapeShift AG in August 2014 as an elegant, secure, and fast solution to digital asset exchanges. Prior to the creation of ShapeShift, buying digital assets was a lengthy process that required account creation and forfeiture of personal data to the service provider.

Erik was most recently featured on the 2016 documentary, “Banking on Bitcoin.” His past blockchain company affiliations include: BitInstant, Coinapult and, most notably, SatoshiDice, which was responsible for most of the Bitcoin transactions in 2012 and 2013.

Follow Erik on Twitter: @ErikVoorhees